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To: BykrBayb

I would be happy to. Yes the heart is beating precisely because of the oxygenation artificially applied with a mechanical ventilator. The brain (remember apnea test) is not stimulating the body to breath. Separated from the artificial machine pumping the lungs, there will not be another breath. There is no blood flow to the brain (google 4 vessel angiography or ultrasonography) . Because it has been proven there is no “breath of life” all that is being accomplished is keeping a heart beating apart from the brain. The legal, and medical definition of death. This heart could be kept a live in a petrie dish with a bypass machine outside the body. The child is therefore dead as the brain is irreversibly destroyed and no life function exists. It is the catch 22 of being able to apply a ventilator quickly, but it does not mean the child is alive. I grieve for her, her parents, and every worker who tried to save her.


80 posted on 01/02/2014 2:55:36 PM PST by gas_dr (Trial lawyers AND POLITICIANS are Endangering Every Patient in America)
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To: gas_dr

One of the articles said that the child moves around on the bed at the mother’s presence.

It seems to me that if this child is truly dead, then why should the hospital hang on to her? Why not let her go with her parents and let them do what they feel is right? It’s certainly not going to harm the child any further since she’s dead already.

As afar as I am personally concerned, if the hospital insists on keeping her as though she were their own property, then yes, they should continue treatments no matter the cost.

And if the family thinks she’s alive and is willing to find long term care for their child, what the hell business is it of anyone’s? I mean...really. This is nothing but a disgusting power play by those on the public dole (as long as physicians play with bureaucrats, then they are owned by bureaucrats) in addition to the government.

This whole thing is sick and gross...meaning the topic of hospitals and doctors, and governments taking control of people, live or dead like they were property.

And then to say that people get riled up emotionally???? People SHOULD get riled up at government over power!

I don’t give a flip whether or not this child is dead or alive but I DO give a flip that none of us can make decisions for our children or for ourselves without those egotistical authoritarians sticking their noses where it doesn’t belong.

If those parents want their baby to continue to receive care, then that’s THEIR business!


100 posted on 01/02/2014 3:20:06 PM PST by PrairieLady2
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To: gas_dr

Theoretically speaking, how long can the heart continue beating while being brain dead? Does the injunction against the hospital maybe give some time for this case to resolve itself?(heart to stop beating)


114 posted on 01/02/2014 3:40:24 PM PST by cornfedcowboy
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