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To: jonrick46

There is no reason to conclude that. You presume facts not in evidence. This girl has already been declared dead. She is on a ventilator which is keeping oxygen in her lungs not life in her body. IF she is actually living then turn the ventilator off and see if she breathes on her own.

I have already stated multiple times (and this will be the last time) that my heart breaks for her family. That their denial is strong does not change facts


51 posted on 01/02/2014 8:54:35 PM PST by Nifster
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To: Nifster

After reading your post, I am reconsidering my thinking on the Jahi case. It is now my thinking that the doctors should know the true condition of Jahi McMath. If they have determined that Jahi’s brain is not functioning, we should accept their professional diagnosis. We can be pro-life and not be irrational about it.

keeping Jahi on a ventilator would likely cost thousands of dollars a day, none of which would be covered by insurance if the girl is legally brain-dead.


52 posted on 01/02/2014 9:37:49 PM PST by jonrick46 (The opium of Communists: other people's money.)
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To: Nifster

This is from Children’s Hospital official legal statement (it shows a considerable medical effort to determine the condition of Jahi):

Ms. McMath was admitted to Children’s Hospital on December 9, 2013, for a complicated surgical procedure consisting of an adenotonsillectomy, uvulopalatopharyngoplasty, and submucous resection of bilateral inferior turbinates. Following this surgical procedure, Ms. McMath was admitted, as planned, to Children’s’s Pediatric Intensive Care Unit, where she suffered serious complications resulting in a tragic outcome—her death. On December 12, 2013, pursuant to California law, medical guidelines and Children’s procedures, Ms. McMath was declared brain dead as a result of an irreversible cessation of all functions of her entire brain, including her brain stem. Children’s follows the standard established by Task Force on Brain Death in Children: Guidelines for the Determination of Brain Death in Children, An Update of the 1987 Task Force Recommendations (2011) in making such determinations. Two separate Children’s physicians determined that Ms. McMath was brain dead. In addition, at the request of the family, three additional independent physicians—unaffiliated with Children’s and either selected by or approved by Ms. McMath’s family/next of kin—examined Ms. McMath. Each confirmed the diagnosis of brain death. All tests and examinations have consistently and definitively confirmed that Ms. McMath is brain dead. Accordingly, Children’s has declared Ms. McMath to be dead. On December 12, 2013 Children’s advised Ms. McMath’s family/next of kin that she had


53 posted on 01/02/2014 9:44:21 PM PST by jonrick46 (The opium of Communists: other people's money.)
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To: Nifster
Sad situation, the girl is dead and the parents cannot accept it.... but accept it they must.
55 posted on 01/03/2014 10:10:37 AM PST by Ditter
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