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To: Apple Pan Dowdy

The former.

Scotland is far more socialist (or at least has been since the 1950’s) than England. A solo Scotland would be a country of big govt (already is), ‘progressive’ social policy (already is), high taxation. It would not be a nation of small govt, low tax and pro-business that it would need to be.

Some Scots of course want ‘freedom’ because they have been seduced by the spurious nationalist argument that Scotland is oppressed by England and being in the UK.


9 posted on 01/01/2014 5:24:47 AM PST by the scotsman (i)
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To: the scotsman

Well Scotland WAS oppressed by England so tragically and so thoroughly for so many years, I am thinking that they just can’t forget it and forgive it...... even if not doing so might mean their eventual ruin. And I do mean “might”. I don’t know, perhaps Scotland CAN rise to the challenge and make independence work........ but we all know that freedom and socialism are two diametrically opposed ideas.


14 posted on 01/01/2014 5:36:45 AM PST by Apple Pan Dowdy (... as American as Apple Pie)
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To: the scotsman

Yep. Most English commentators would be happy to see the Scot’s go, as the English foot a great deal of their welfare bills.


24 posted on 01/01/2014 4:51:12 PM PST by Amberdawn
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To: the scotsman; Apple Pan Dowdy; AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ...

Thanks all.


25 posted on 01/01/2014 5:24:39 PM PST by SunkenCiv (http://www.freerepublic.com/~mestamachine/)
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To: the scotsman
And it will entrench social democratic values in Scotland. Some highlights from the proposed 'constitution':

(78) Everyone’s right to life shall be protected by law. The death penalty is abolished and prohibited. Deprivation of life shall not be regarded as inflicted in contravention of this Article when it results from the use of force which is no more than absolutely necessary in defence of any person from unlawful violence, in order to effect a lawful arrest or to prevent the escape of a person lawfully detained, in action lawfully taken for the purpose of quelling a riot or insurrection, or when such death results from a lawful act of war. This Article shall not, however, be construed to prohibit the voluntary termination of a pregnancy, or voluntary euthanasia, under such circumstances and conditions as may be prescribed by law. (92) Freedom of speech, expression and publication shall not be infringed, other than by such laws as are necessary and reasonable in a democratic society to prevent scandalous abuse of this right, to prevent incitement to violence, and to protect reputations and public decency.

Not exactly the first amendment... (97) No citizen shall be expelled, by means either of an individual or of a collective measure, from the Kingdom, nor deprived of the right to enter the Kingdom. The collective expulsion of aliens is prohibited.

(99) Everyone has the right to freely choose their employment and workplace according to their abilities and qualifications. Every employed person has the right to receive, for work done, commensurate remuneration which shall not be less than the minimum wage fixed by law. All workers are entitled to regular days of rest, equal to at least one day in seven, and to annual holidays with pay. The maximum number of hours of work per day shall be fixed by law, so that each person is secured adequate time for rest, recreation, learning, and social and family life. Conditions of work shall be regulated by law to protect the health, safety and well-being of workers. The rights specified in this Article cannot be renounced by contract. (100) Trade unions have the right to negotiate and enforce collective agreements, and to enforce these by strike action. This Article shall not prevent the imposition of lawful restrictions on the exercise of these rights by members of the Armed Forces, the Police Services, the administration of the State, or persons working in essential public services. (101) Everyone shall have a right to adequate health care through a universal public health system established by law, as well as to public assistance, sufficient to maintain their health and dignity of life, in the event of accident, illness, disability, unemployment, and old age. (102) Everyone shall have a right to primary and secondary education, and also to higher, vocational or professional education commensurate with their aptitude and ability. The responsibility for delivering publicly-funded education may be delegated by law to County, City and Burgh Councils, and also to religious and charitable bodies in accordance with the law. Public universities shall be independent in their administration, teaching and research.

27 posted on 01/01/2014 7:14:22 PM PST by sinsofsolarempirefan
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