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You Be the Judge: When Should Government Be Allowed to Take Your Children?
Townhall.com ^ | December 31, 2013 | Daniel J. Mitchell

Posted on 12/31/2013 11:57:27 AM PST by Kaslin

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1 posted on 12/31/2013 11:57:27 AM PST by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin

When they start to live by the eame standards as the “commoners”. Nothing but more crap from the masterminds.


2 posted on 12/31/2013 12:09:18 PM PST by Busko (The only thing that is certain is that nothing is certain.)
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To: Kaslin

When you absolutely can’t stand them for another minute.


3 posted on 12/31/2013 12:11:14 PM PST by Tax-chick (The superpowers ascribed to "feminists" make me wish I was one.)
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To: Kaslin
The phenomenon is known as “killing with kindness” because the child craves the unhealthy food and a loving parent feels unable to say no.

That is a fallacy. A loving parent is not necessarily the one to say 'no'. It takes a lot of love to say 'no'.

So the argument begins with a false premise. Therefore it is faulty.

4 posted on 12/31/2013 12:13:33 PM PST by Bloody Sam Roberts ("Gun horror is not a productive emotion, but learned helplessness disguised as moral superiority.")
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To: Kaslin

What you need are ways of limiting the slippery slope.

The best way to do that is to have legislation that only grants authority to intervene only in carefully defined specific scenarios. You want to eliminate both bureaucrat and judicial decision making as much as possible.

There is still the risk of a legislature passing crazy laws. But legislatures debate things. That makes it far less likely that they will pass laws to take away children because of their immigration beliefs. Those type of errors occur because an individual judge and/or an individual bureaucrat was given too much authority.

For examples like the overweight scenario, you again need objective thresholds and intervention should be conservative as possible. In other words, counseling the parents and the child is called for first. Perhaps even a few weeks with a live-in trainer/monitor to help change habits. Placing the child in foster care should be a last resort. And should be considered temporary until the intervention is showing the desired results.


5 posted on 12/31/2013 12:19:23 PM PST by DannyTN (A>)
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"Increasingly social workers find youngsters being fed a high-fat, sugary diet.... I confess that this story leaves me conflicted."

Conventional wisdom, outside of government, is quickly moving to the idea that high-fat is good and only carbs are bad. This "Libertarian" writer's anecdote illustrates why he should stick to Libertarian principles. Do-gooder Statism only increases suffering while giving the self-satisfying illusion of virtue.

6 posted on 12/31/2013 12:22:08 PM PST by UnwashedPeasant
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To: Kaslin

NEVER!!!!


7 posted on 12/31/2013 12:39:25 PM PST by SandRat (Duty - Honor - Country! What else needs said?)
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To: Kaslin

Not ever.


8 posted on 12/31/2013 12:41:05 PM PST by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's Economics In One Lesson ONLINEhttp://steshaw.org/economics-in-one-lesson/)
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To: Kaslin

When you send them to government schools.


9 posted on 12/31/2013 12:43:30 PM PST by demshateGod (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: Bloody Sam Roberts
You and I aren't actually the intended readers. Many of these questions posed start with a false premise and that is the whole point.

...Self destructive behavior in government run health care? Dismantle government run health care.

Much like a few others many waste a great deal of time and effort debating...

Should children be allowed to pray in government run indoctrination camps public schools? Dismantle government run schools.

In the face of extreme fiscal crisis should government be allowed to pay out $.70 or less on the dollar to each retiree that put into a government run retirement plan? Dismantle government administered Ponzi...er, retirement plans.

10 posted on 12/31/2013 12:45:53 PM PST by gnarledmaw (Obama: Evincing a Design since 2009)
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To: demshateGod
Not everyone can afford to send their kids to private schools, or is qualified to home school.

So what other choice is there? Vouchers, what if they can't get any?

11 posted on 12/31/2013 12:57:21 PM PST by Kaslin (He needed the ignorant to reelect him, and he got them. Now we all have to pay the consequenses)
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To: SandRat

“NEVER!!!!”

I agree with one caveat, I should not be prosecuted for breaking arms and legs of an abusive parent.


12 posted on 12/31/2013 1:12:04 PM PST by PoloSec ( Believe the Gospel: how that Christ died for our sins, was buried and rose again)
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To: gnarledmaw
Yoda says;

Simpatico, you and I are. Yeesssssss.

13 posted on 12/31/2013 1:24:24 PM PST by Bloody Sam Roberts ("Gun horror is not a productive emotion, but learned helplessness disguised as moral superiority.")
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To: Kaslin

Once again, the libertardians jump the shark on incest between consenting adults. (see link contained in original post). That is why I can’t take them seriously as a party or a philosophy. They have great gaping holes in their brain matter.

This is why the state regulates sex between relatives.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2521752/Children-incest-cult-living-deformed-mute-Australian-valley.html


14 posted on 12/31/2013 1:26:26 PM PST by Valpal1 (If the police can t solve a problem with brute force, they ll find a way to fix it with brute force)
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To: Tax-chick

LMAO!


15 posted on 12/31/2013 1:27:59 PM PST by andyk (I have sworn...eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man.)
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To: andyk

Oops, did I type that out loud?


16 posted on 12/31/2013 1:29:47 PM PST by Tax-chick (The superpowers ascribed to "feminists" make me wish I was one.)
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To: UnwashedPeasant

It’s simple.
Raising ones child how he sees fit is fundamental, so the Constitutional standard of strict scrutiny should always apply.
Then you tailor the law accordingly to stop the slippery slope nonsense.
Then for good measure you make sure the state agency is barely funded, such that they have only the option of focusing on the mist serious cases.
In my view the funding issue nearly solves the problem.
Then you just accept the fact that there are no perfect solutions, and any problem the government tries to fix will only make it worse.


17 posted on 12/31/2013 1:41:15 PM PST by Clump ( the tree of liberty is withering like a stricken fig tree)
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To: Kaslin

Everyone IS qualified to home school. If they’re not, then they’re not qualified to be a parent. Read Deuteronomy and Proverbs. The antithesis of parental education is progressivism and Marxism.

Read about John Dewey.
http://outpostpilgrim.com/tag/john-dewey/


18 posted on 12/31/2013 1:45:52 PM PST by demshateGod (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: Kaslin

I will go on a limb here and guess the fat children epidemic in Britain are the result of welfare payments. Lazy parents on welfare in council housing are not going to be preparing nourishing meals. They’re going to fill up on pasties and fish n chips. Plus, with the Brittish streets over run with chavs and skallies no one dare let the children out of the house.

Plus with national health this allows the government complete control over every aspect of your lives in the name of “cost” savings.


19 posted on 12/31/2013 3:39:11 PM PST by Organic Panic
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To: Kaslin
It’s not easy being libertarian!

I stopped reading right there.

(Loser-tarian Sarvis lost Virgina governorship to Dems. They will never, ever understand that this is a bad thing.)

20 posted on 12/31/2013 6:05:47 PM PST by Seaplaner (Never give in. Never give in. Never...except to convictions of honour and good sense. W. Churchill)
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