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The definition of ‘natural born’ meant historically to be born of a father who was a citizen who was married to a citizen. This was created by the actions of John Jay to General George Washington for the purpose of ensuring allegiance and duty to the soon to be new nation of the United States.

Since the 14th Amendment was passed the notion of ‘natural born citizen’ versus citizen at birth has been muddled. Until Obama the issue has never been litigated. There were reservations and claims that Chester Garfield was not eligible because one of his parents may have been a Canadian citizen when he born but nothing came of it.

As for the place of birth, President Madison was asked if ‘natural born’ applied to citizen parents who were in transit on ship or residing abroad on business or under diplomatic commission. Madison’s response was yes ‘natural born’ applied to such births because the domicile was still in the United States, its territories or possessions.

It is important to understand the difference between ‘domicile’ and ‘residency’.

I can reside in Paris but maintain my domicile in Seattle. And domicile may be a frame of mind in that my residency in Paris is to me only a temporary arrangement whereas my allegiance remains to the USA.

In law frequently a ‘domicile’ must be evidenced by a postal address.

Some will maintain a ‘domicile’ in certain locations such as Monaco for tax purposes yet they ‘reside’ say in London.

Ted Cruz does not fit the historical definition of ‘natural born’ but neither does Obama. But resolutions passed in the US Senate on behalf of McCain for the 2008 presidential election coupled with the fact that Obama’s claimed father was never a citizen (not to mention that Obama may not even have been born in the USA) have cleared the way for Cruz to be President.

While working and residing in Canada Ted’s mother maintained her ‘domicile’ in the US because she never intended to pledge allegiance to Canada. Her residency there was only for purposes of work.

But this will not stop the democrats from coming after Ted on the issue.

And with immigration amnesty, there will not be a Republican president for a generation at least so it won’t matter in any event.


6 posted on 12/30/2013 3:21:39 AM PST by Hostage (ARTICLE V)
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To: Hostage
Chester Garfield

Chester A. Arthur.

13 posted on 12/30/2013 4:43:11 AM PST by Procyon (Decentralize, degovernmentalize, deregulate, demonopolize, decredentialize, disentitle.)
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To: Hostage
The definition of ‘natural born’ meant historically to be born of a father who was a citizen who was married to a citizen.

To be fair, in the USA until the early 20th century, a woman by definition could not have different citizenship from that of her husband. A wife's citizenship directly tracked her husbands.

To illustrate how strange this was, my great-grandfather was an immigrant from Galicia in Eastern Europe. When he came to the USA and married my great-grandmother (a natural born American citizen), she automatically became a citizen of his nation and *lost* her American citizenship. At this point, she no longer had the right to vote, etc. She became American again later when my great-grandfather himself became naturalized.

When my grandfather told me this, I initially didn't believe it, but my research into the law of the era confirmed that this is how it would have happened.

My point is, historically, the wife's birth citizenship meant nothing.

14 posted on 12/30/2013 4:44:20 AM PST by billakay
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To: Hostage

Hostage wrote: “Until Obama the issue has never been litigated.”

Uh...it still hasn’t.


18 posted on 12/30/2013 5:41:32 AM PST by PubliusMM (RKBA; a matter of fact, not opinion. 01-20-2016; I pray we make it that long.)
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To: Hostage
Ted Cruz does not fit the historical definition of ‘natural born’ but neither does Obama. But resolutions passed in the US Senate on behalf of McCain for the 2008 presidential election coupled with the fact that Obama’s claimed father was never a citizen (not to mention that Obama may not even have been born in the USA) have cleared the way for Cruz to be President.

The Constitution be damned, eh?

19 posted on 12/30/2013 6:01:22 AM PST by onedoug
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