My point was we had guys, myself included, double tap hadji at close distance with 5.56 and the SOBs ran away.
One of our guys put four rounds, center mass, 5.56, in a scumbag at a distance of about 15 feet. The rounds went through and through and the guy ran off - I don't know how far he made it, but he still had his weapon and was still able to sprint.
Whereas, we had guys pick up AKs, dragunovs, PSL etc (noting the 7.6x54 is mostly steel core) and make bigger holes in the enemy, all the while utilizing effective marksmanship principles.
Now, as someone (you?) mentioned previously a bigger round isn't always going to have the desired effect - particularly if your enemy is high. One of my buddy's favorite stories: is the dude one of our snipers shot in the chest with a SASR .50 .........hadji appeared to walk away unscathed. In fact, he had back stepped around the corner just out of sight, about three feet, and died.
All of that said, I am heavily biased against M16/M4 weapons and have pointed out such on previous threads. I also am not a fan of the caliber. Every time I post on the topic, my statements/sentiments will reflect such.
And when it comes to fighting someone, whose mindset you may not know (not every hadji fully buys into the allah will protect me garbage), I will take a weapon with loose tolerances that can handle nearly all conditions and fires (relatively) cheap and readily available ammunition that makes a bigger hole. I haven't had the opportunity to target practice beyond 200yds, but at 200yds I have two AKs that with iron sights can hold fairly tight groups on a 6"pie pan.
And, until recently, I could buy and trick out two AKs for the price of one half decent AR. And the ammo is only 2/3 the price and is interchangeable with my SKS'.
Anyhow, hope Christmas and New Years was good for you - I've enjoyed the debate.
A fellow named Phineas Gage had a crowbar blown through his head by a premature blast. He never even lost consciousness.
The crowbar was about an inch in diameter. I saw film of a fellow in Vietnam that took an RPG round through his chest. It was close enough that it hadn’t armed. The guy survived.
Heart surgeons have at least one simple rule: When you open a man, first find the heart on which you will work. People have them located in different places, from under the liver, to the lung cavity, and on either side of the body.
I can sure agree that shooting someone and having them not fall down must be very annoying. Modern technique has, I am told gone away from the double tap to ‘keep shooting until the threat is resolved’. That substantially increases use of ammunition, but at least ammunition is less dependent on mule team than previously. Training in the new methods would seem to be harder, and somewhat dependent on control of a reactive target. We haven’t fought a war against an enemy that wears body armor that I know of- excepting WWI German machinegunners had steel helmet additions. That would further suggest that a mere double tap might not be the way to go.
Again, I haven’t been shot at. I have run .45ACP grease gun ranges (and the 90 round fam course used reactive targets) as well as shot AK, M-14, M-16 rifle programs and various machine guns.
Thanks for your insights.