Newtown anniversary: US schools keep trying wrong fixes...

NBC News ^ | 12/11/2013 | Bill Dedman

[Carriage Hill]

Full Title: "Newtown anniversary: US schools keep trying wrong fixes to deter school shootings, experts say."

It happened after Columbine, after Virginia Tech, and after Newtown, too. After every massacre in a school, Americans grasp at quick cures. Let's install metal detectors and give guns to teachers. Let's crack down on troublemakers, weeding out kids who fit the profile of a gunman. Let's buy bulletproof whiteboards for the students to scurry behind, or train kids to throw erasers or cans of soup at an attacker.

[JSteff]

Uh, no. The average person will not hit any target they aim at and the more bullets fired the more off target they will be. Fact.

Another fact, NO polar bear, or any other type ever attacked ever attacked anyone that sprayed them with bear spray... and the spraying defender did not even have to hit the attacker perfectly.

A human attacker will be instantly blinded, find breathing very hard hard, and most likely unable to do much of anything that requires control of their hands of body. It is pretty much incapacitating to even large bears. How do you think a human would be if they get sprayed? Better yet it does not even need to be a shot to the head like needed for the walking dead.

Just spray it close to the perp and they are out of action. But it does not kill or permanently injure a human. Lot's of water washes it off and they can stand trial or be stomped to death... where they will be in permanent pain, or die of injuries. Your choice once the threat is eliminated.

[cookcounty]

My school district has trained, armed staff.

That’s the best response, though none will ever be perfect.

[Carriage Hill]

Sounds great, unless the shooter is 40-50ft, or more away and shooting at you with an AR-15 or other semi-auto rifle. The Walking Dead aren’t armed and walk slowly. Probably didn’t happen that way at Columbine, Virginia Tech or Sandy Hook.

[Carriage Hill]

You’re 100% right; nothing will ever be perfect.

Cook County, IL? I grew-up in Arlington Hts in 50s & 60s, went to Mt Prospect HS; left in ‘67 for Drake Univ in Iowa. It was a very different place back then. We had rifle teams at HS, and kept our rifles and ammo in our hall lockers.

[JSteff]

Nope and those guys should have just been executed in the parking lot. It should have been televised, if they weren't killed when the swat teams/Leo's got there.

[Carriage Hill]

SWAT teams and police at Columbine, VA Tech and Sandy Hook waited 15-30mins before entering the schools, unsure of/fearing the number of shooters. They wanted to go home alive that night to their families, too. It’s going to have to be done by someone inside, directly confronting the immediate threat(s), before he gets to the students. All shooters at those 3 massacres committed suicide after the fact. It’s usually too late when the police get there; the damage has already been done.

Hence, the maxim: “When seconds count, the police are just minutes away.”When seconds count, the police are just minutes away.

[Carriage Hill]

Breaking News: American University is on lockdown; shooter on campus. ABC News bulletin...

[the OlLine Rebel]

That doesn’t prevent it from starting, only possibly from getting worse.

The best way to prevent such things is to stop pussy-footing around jackasses and psychos, and punish them as appropriate. Being serious about jailing and treating crooks as the scum they are, and psychos treated in asylums set aside just for them.

[Carriage Hill]

Update on American University: Man with a gun was found; it was an off-duty DC cop. Lockdown canceled. Good.

[Carriage Hill]

We have an impotent legal system in-place, which doesn’t do that, and asylums were ruled illegal by courts many years ago, and the psychos dumped on to the streets to cause huge problems of all kinds. I’m fresh out of workable ideas, other than killing them all, and that won’t go over well.

[the OlLine Rebel]

That is my point. The whole system needs to turn back time. I know chances are fat, but it can technically be changed. And the same stupid legal impediments hold you back on firearms, too, BTW.

[MaxMax]

Out founders knew the Gun grabbers, and they were not American friendly.
It's the 2nd Amendment for a reason. The 1st is also 1st for a reason, and
that is so there's no ignoring either.

[JSteff]

What ever the reason, the shooter opted out of normal society. If they find the shooter and the evidence is overwhelming no time or money should be wasted on trials or confinement... just execute them immediately. Televise it to deter future acts like this one.

Again, they opted out of society so we would just be granting their wishes.

[Daffynition]

Where are the posters who *insist* that homeschooling is the *answer* to all problems?

[Daffynition]

Coincidence that this report was instigated by NBC?''

Newtown anniversary: NBC reporters gain access to some schools with ease

**NBC reporters were able to access school buildings and walk around at several New York-area schools, two NBC investigations have found, raising questions about school security as the anniversary of the massacre in Newtown, Conn. approaches.

"Today" National Investigative Correspondent Jeff Rossen was able to enter one New Jersey school without giving a name. Unescorted, he went looking for the main office, per school policy. As he looked, he walked past several classrooms with kids, stopping at one to ask a teacher for directions. No one asked who he was, or what he was doing there. For two minutes, he walked through the halls, and was only stopped once he arrived at the office.**

[Carriage Hill]

Agreed, but the ACLU etc would block it all in the courts. It would have to be a quick, summary execution with immunity for executionists.

[JSteff]

And all three of those incidents could have been stopped pretty immediately with with Bear spray. Then the shooter could have been executed quickly as they were obviously guilty and their actions had shown they had opted not to e part of society.

They chose their fate of the end, at the beginning of their spree. As noted, publicly/televise execute them for the deterrent effect on other crazies.

Do it quickly and crime will drop quickly. They do not need mental health, just executed quickly to prevent other crazies.

[Carriage Hill]

Wide-open, soft targets just waiting to get hit. The muzzies will love this, when they get their ‘go orders’.

[Carriage Hill]

I thought they’d have been here by now; no-shows so far.

[Daffynition]

...as the gun-free-zoners argue in Newtown how to divide the
monetary contributions to Sandy Hook families.