Posted on 12/11/2013 3:10:00 AM PST by Timber Rattler
I guesstimate less than 10 percent of current elected Republicans at all levels of government are real conservatives, the rest are RINO, GOPe, the insiders call them what you will.
How do you size up the situation????
I would say it’s higher than 10%, and much higher in the state and local governments. I would also say that they are probably more conservative than the Democrats in 99% of the cases.
Well I agree….the difference is, I think you draw the line in the sand deeper in primaries……and deal with reality after that.
And there are no hard and fast rules either…there are strategies and there are tactics…and there are seasons for everything. I think Cruz’s filibuster season was one season…I think today is another season. Situational awareness dude…..get some.
I think your post is brilliant, and thus I repeated it. We all want the same thing here, we just have differences on how to get there. One thing for sure, with Dems in control of the WH and the Senate, we ain't getting there period, end of discussion. We may not get there anyway, but somethings are givens….
Actually, it is not as fuzzy as many think. I recommend a book that opens the curtain of “The Club” of the DC establishment titled “This Town” by Mark Leibovich. From an insider he names names and in general exposes the back scratching stench we are discussing here as supposition. It is sad and enlightening at the same time to bring validation that deals like this one and all the others are not in our best interests, but only on those in “The Club”.
I hate to break it to you, but anyone who will be moved by graphs of the deficit are ALREADY with us. Get a clue.
What will move people now is one thing and one thing only: Obama Care as the definition of what Democrat rule is like. Period. This is an historic time to get out of the way and let that lesson hammer away day after day after day.
Mazda I agree with what Leibovich and others say about the “club.” That’s not the same issue as what is the best thing to do at this tactical moment.
Ah, but many times stage one gets to Stage four very fast because the cancer is so aggressive.
That's true, but somewhat beside the point I was debating with the other poster. Their assertion was that speed or degree does not matter. I think that's absurd. That is not defensible, and yet some hide behind that every single day. My assertion is not that a slow crash is good….or that a slow crash is always avoidable, or that stage one cancer never gets to stage four.
It is others who are arguing the absolute. I am not.
My assertion is simply that a slow motion wreck is not as guaranteed, nor is it as bad, as a high speed crash. To torture the analogy further, stage one cancer MAY get to stage four, but stage four IS ALREADY stage four. I'm sorry, both situations are bad, but the notion that they are the same is assinine.
Whether we can or not - I don't think we should. It would be great to snap my fingers and have Dems in Senate and 0bama do as I wish.
Not all are "tripping over themselves" to implement 0bamacare - that sounds paranoid. What we have is a tyrant as a president trying to consolidate his power by effectively removing the power of the purse from the House using CRs instead of the normal budget process and using a Dem senate to change rules that will allow him to take over the judiciary.
This deal removes the power of the purse being with Senate and president. That alone is good. They're fighting back IMO.
I plan to help replace every one of those vermin that need replacing... bankruptcy is coming regardless.
This is FREE REPUBLIC and if you can’t see the difference between ryan and his “plan” and sound, Capitalist free market principles, then it is you that needs to explain why you think that he is right and I am incorrect about not only ryan’s ideology but is moral character and untruthfulness.
Bush ran the White House and Lott ran the Senate and ted kennedy was still who and what he always had been.
Flawed argument, as it relates to my point. First, Lott did not "run" the Senate under any reasonable definition of running anything. He was not in any functional control position. Second, I never said Republican control would solve anything….I simply said that solutions are 100% impossible under Democrat control…..thus, nothing you have said nor can say will possibly counter my point. Third, the inherent flaws of Bush and Lott are not pertinent to what our tactics today should be.
Same old ****... different day. I no longer will back bills that do nothing but give false cover for people to hide behind. Name me one time in US history that any spending reduction deal passed in legislation and signed onto by dims was ever honored by future dims? Have you never heard a rat say, “We are not constrained by what past legislatures have agreed to”? tipp o’neil screwed Reagan... bush had his “No new taxes” shoved up his stove pipe.
Both your argument and my statement are flawed. I agree with you about lott... he tried to give away MAJORITY POWER as soon as he held it in his hands. POWER SHARING remember? cochran and wicker are his clones. It is the same with boehner... he refuses to lead and he has NO MORAL COMPASS to guide him. I agree there can be no compromise with communists and evil so LEAVE THE SEQUESTER IN PLACE and if you have to fund with continuing resolutions then do so until we get a new Senate and Congress. That will not work because the gop/e does not want to change our course, cut spending, control and reverse government expansion and the erosion of the individual and Freedom and Liberty... they want more of the same and they want their cut of the pie.
What we need is to elect men and women of sound character and a true belief in the system our Founder’s built. Until then... we need to NEVER stop fighting the enemy in BOTH parties.
This does not mean that we should not fight and strive for our solutions to be implemented. I have NEVER seen any rat compromise their ideology and agenda for any reason... and they fought and scratched until they changed America through the press and the education system and even facing the total destruction of this republic... they refuse to give an inch... and the republican leadership has no ideology or agenda beyond personal wealth and power.
But control of the Senate doesn’t really happen until you have 60 - and certainly does not happen at 50 or 51 - so the notion that Republicans “controlled” the Senate is just not true. And the problem is, when liberals say that, they are saying that conservatism ruled and failed, which of course you and I both know is false, because Lott and others like jefforda nd Specter and McCain were of course not conservative. So liberals had philosophical control of the Seante even as the GOP had technical control.
It gets complicated ,but again, situational awareness is needed.
You are not required to back any bill. The spending reduction is minimal and unimportant except that it’s not enough of a reduction.
The important part is that it takes the power of the purse away from the Senate/president - which they effectively had stolen via CRs and politics.
Holding the power of the purse is one of the two things 0bama is trying to do to consolidate power [the other being packing federal courts via nuclear option.] This deal removes that. I’m happy about that.
We shall see soon enough.
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