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PPP: GOP Leads Michigan Senate Race, ObamaCare to Blame
Breitbart ^ | 12/10 | Mike Flynn

Posted on 12/10/2013 4:16:24 PM PST by TheBigB

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To: randita
Regarding Detroit, anyone who isn’t an absolute idiot or for whom the Democrat Party is not a religion, knows that decades of Democrat empty promises have destroyed their city. Whether that will make them angry or vengeful enough to vote GOP is an open question.

While they're at least a generation from becoming tea party conservatives, I do talk to a lot of people who see the complete and utter failure of the democrats and are looking for a real change. I tell them that if they can't vote republican they can vote for more pro business pro freedom democrats if they can find them.

I point out that for all the promises the democrats make, what do they get in the end and they're forced to admit that they get nothing but more promises. The GOP promises to give nothing but wants you to keep what you earn and let you decide for yourselves how to spend your money.

The best I can see for Detroit right now would be maybe 1 moderate republican congressman in a Detroit area district. One more Fred Upton is a reasonable trade off for 1 less John Conyers.
41 posted on 12/11/2013 5:49:09 AM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: randita; justiceseeker93; LS; cripplecreek; ought-six; fieldmarshaldj; AuH2ORepublican; ...

Peters is cookie cutter rat and Land is 2 time statewide winner. I expected her to have an even chance in that race from the jump.

Michigan is hardly NJ.


42 posted on 12/11/2013 6:55:43 AM PST by Impy (RED=COMMUNIST, NOT REPUBLICAN)
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To: Impy; SunkenCiv; madison10; randita; Political Junkie Too; cripplecreek; Darren McCarty; jenk; ...
Michigan is hardly NJ.

Michigan is (or was) traditionally a swing state. The problem there is demographic change over the last several decades. A lot of more conservative people moved to the "Sun Belt" and more recent immigrants and their offspring - most noticeably from the Middle East and other Asians - are more numerous in and around Detroit. The 'Rats capitalized on that, getting both US Senate seats and Jenny Granholm as governor for two terms.

43 posted on 12/11/2013 9:31:47 AM PST by justiceseeker93
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To: justiceseeker93

History didn’t end with Granholm. She’s long gone and its a whole different state. It sure wasn’t democrat control that gave us RTW (Which was signed exactly 1 year ago today)


44 posted on 12/11/2013 9:35:05 AM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: cripplecreek
I tell them that if they can't vote republican they can vote for more pro business pro freedom democrats if they can find them.

Pro business, pro freedom Democrats? They're just about an extinct species in the age of Obama!

45 posted on 12/11/2013 9:36:42 AM PST by justiceseeker93
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To: cripplecreek
It sure wasn’t democrat control that gave us RTW (Which was signed exactly 1 year ago today).

Have you noticed any positive effect on the economy since RTW was signed? (Just asking.)

Also, do you think that the 'Rat candidates will continue to play up Zero's auto industry bailout in Michigan next year?

46 posted on 12/11/2013 9:47:39 AM PST by justiceseeker93
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To: justiceseeker93

I think there are positive economic effects but they’re more a result of other GOP economic policies. It would be better if our governor wasn’t a greenie technophile who seems opposed to dirty factories.

RTW has only been in full effect for 6 or 8 months so only a few have even had contract negotiations (when members can opt out). They’ve fallen to infighting and lawsuits among themselves. Its just a drip so far but the unions are beginning to hemorrhage members and they know it.

Business owners are seeking means of speeding union exits from their businesses. I read about one in Jackson a few weeks back that was hiring entry level floor people at higher pay than existing union members make. He’s hiring them as management personnel and personally teaching a business management class in the shop 2 hours per week. The owner gets the added benefit of hiring a new class of shop rat that understands the business end of the job.


47 posted on 12/11/2013 10:18:06 AM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: justiceseeker93; fieldmarshaldj; AuH2ORepublican

Yes. The size of Obama’s victory in 2008 was troubling, McCain got under 41%.

We’ve managed the keep the State Senate this entire time (since what 1976? That is impressive), and the House, most of the time since 1992 (all but 97-98 and 07-10).

Even though Iowa is a better state I’d rank MI ahead of the IA Senate race because Land is top tier candidate and our choices in IA are not. I dismissed initial projections of the race being decidedly in the favor of Peters as rat wishful thinking.


48 posted on 12/11/2013 4:41:42 PM PST by Impy (RED=COMMUNIST, NOT REPUBLICAN)
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To: Impy
The size of Obama’s victory in 2008 was troubling, McCain got under 41%.

McCain's awful showing in Michigan in '08 was largely do to his well-publicized "pulling out" of the state weeks before Election Day. I guess some voters interpreted that as dissing them, or at least 'Rats tried to make them think that way.

49 posted on 12/11/2013 5:23:52 PM PST by justiceseeker93
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To: AuH2ORepublican

It was because of 2000 that Dims have not lost close elections or recounts since. Dem honchos came out publicly after Gore v. Bush and said they would NEVER again lose a close election.


50 posted on 12/11/2013 6:00:13 PM PST by ought-six ( Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule.)
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To: justiceseeker93; AuH2ORepublican; fieldmarshaldj; cripplecreek

Wisconsin was also very bad, McCain only got 42%. I remember being surprised. Minnesota (which has been trending our way) gave him more than either with almost 44%.

Not since 1936 had MN voted more Republican than WI.

Not since 1964 had it voted more Republican than MI. (1968 saw the 2 states give a virtually identical % to Nixon.)

In 2012 WI jumped back ahead of MN, but MI did not despite it being Romney’s famous original home state.

More MI news

Governor’s race was also polled, Synder leads RAT former Rep. Mark Schauer by 44-40.


51 posted on 12/11/2013 6:18:31 PM PST by Impy (RED=COMMUNIST, NOT REPUBLICAN)
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Governor’s race was also polled, Synder leads RAT former Rep. Mark Schauer by 44-40.

Presume that's a PPP poll too. Don't you think that 'Rat pollsters (which constitute the large majority of pollsters you hear about) often fudge on their methods and therefore produce results more in the 'Rat candidate's favor than the true status of the race actually is. Oh, I know that there are Republican pollsters employed by GOP candidates, but they have a tendency to keep their findings away from public consumption when compared to the 'Rat pollsters.

52 posted on 12/11/2013 7:05:46 PM PST by justiceseeker93
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PPP's gubernatorial-race results made me smile, since, if anything, they are too generous to the RAT Schauer, meaning that the sample used for both the gubernatorial and Senate polls was by no means too Republican or too conservative or too white or any other excuse that liberals could have to explainwhy their boy Rat-Face Peters is losing to Land.

Lest you think I'm being unfair to Gary Peters to give him such appellation, check out his beady little eyes and rodent teeth on his official portrait:


53 posted on 12/11/2013 7:17:23 PM PST by AuH2ORepublican (If a politician won't protect innocent babies, what ma kes you think that he'll defend your rights?)
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To: ought-six; Impy; InterceptPoint; fieldmarshaldj; Political Junkie Too; theothercheek; ml/nj; ...
It was because of 2000 that Dims have not lost close elections or recounts since. Dem honchos came out publicly after Gore v. Bush and said they would NEVER again lose a close election.

Translation: Warning to the GOP in all close races: Be on the alert for election cheating and fraud (all types you can think of) and have a plan to combat it.

54 posted on 12/11/2013 7:26:55 PM PST by justiceseeker93
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To: Pontiac

Great remarks on the self-righteous independents. They usually ball up the works by voting for the spoilers. That’s how wonderfully smart they are.


55 posted on 12/11/2013 8:01:18 PM PST by firebrand
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To: firebrand

Thanks


56 posted on 12/11/2013 8:18:47 PM PST by Pontiac (The welfare state must fail because it is contrary to human nature and diminishes the human spirit.)
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To: Impy

McCain infamously quit the state and made a public spectacle of it. He probably would have gotten similar results to Romney if he fought.

The state senate flipped with the 1984 recalls. The house flipped in 1994, 96 (tied), 2006, and 2010.


57 posted on 12/11/2013 8:46:41 PM PST by Darren McCarty (Abortion - legalized murder for convenience)
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To: Impy
n 2012 WI jumped back ahead of MN, but MI did not despite it being Romney’s famous original home state.

Karl Rove a month before the election wrote off the state and the resources were pulled out right at that time.

Romney wasn't really viewed as a Michigander after his Big 3 editorial on bankruptcy. He was viewed as a threat to auto jobs, not to mention unreliable on social issues.

58 posted on 12/11/2013 8:53:02 PM PST by Darren McCarty (Abortion - legalized murder for convenience)
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To: justiceseeker93

Conservatives need to be at the polls. Document and video everything suspicious!


59 posted on 12/11/2013 10:05:42 PM PST by ExTexasRedhead
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To: Darren McCarty; fieldmarshaldj

Recalls eh? I didn’t know Michigan had them.

https://www.mackinac.org/9334

Very interesting.

So the House was tied in 93-94? I hate even numbers in legislative chamber.


60 posted on 12/12/2013 12:16:48 AM PST by Impy (RED=COMMUNIST, NOT REPUBLICAN)
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