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1 posted on 12/07/2013 9:17:42 AM PST by 2ndDivisionVet
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Sheila Hauser, Playbook reader

...The right-wing blatherers on Fox say worse about our president, Democratic legislators and even the pope. Name-calling is commonplace there, but they're allowed to get away with it. It is only on the more progressive programs where pundits are required to adhere to more rigorous standards.

Naturally no examples given. I doubt she ever watches Fox News. All my liberal relatives have never watched Fox but somehow consider themselves experts about how fake, mean spirited, and racist the content is.

31 posted on 12/07/2013 9:55:16 AM PST by Hugin ( More firepower!)
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If you were his PR adviser, what would you have told him to say or do? If you were his PR adviser, what would you have told him to say or do?

Ritual seppuku, followed by self-immolation, and ...

No, that sounds mean, doesn't it?

33 posted on 12/07/2013 9:56:20 AM PST by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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Vile left-winger makes comments too vile even for the vile left wing; then a questionably centrist indie publication provides an online seminar by crisis consultants to give the vile left-winger free advice on how to recover.

When will the conservatives start helping one another?


35 posted on 12/07/2013 9:58:45 AM PST by Albion Wilde ("Remember... the first revolutionary was Satan."--Russian Orthodox Archpriest Dmitry Smirnov)
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Once again someone on the left takes a comment, pretends they do not understand the context or the way it is used, and then demonize a conservative.

I wish someone on the left would publish a list of words that conservatives can not use in any context. I would like a good laugh.

You have real hate speech, and real racial violence going on right here in River City, but unless it is a white Christen doing the hating or violence, the main stream media pretends it is a “myth”.

Yet they say they can read peoples minds and they understand the “code words” used by conservatives to prove they are racist.

“I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character.”

Martin Luther King, Jr.

To the left, only skin color matters.

As a conservative I want equal opportunity for everyone. The key word is opportunity, not “results”.

As I will never be a pro basketball player (wrong age, wrong height) it would be insane to think a fat middle age man should be able to compete on a pro basketball court.

While all men are created equal in the eyes of God, it does not mean all men have the same ability to be what ever they want. There are a lot of things within a person’s environment, place in their community, natural abilities, willingness to work hard, and perhaps skin color that limits us all to what we can or can not do.

To the left, the only thing that matters is the person’s skin color.

So who are the real racist?


36 posted on 12/07/2013 9:59:00 AM PST by CIB-173RDABN (I do not doubt that our climate changes. I only doubt that anything man does has any effect.)
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OK, I did not know who this guy was. I saw the clip of his Sarah Palin commentary just because others were talking about it. I was very offended far before the part about slavery.

As an employee of Comcast which owns MSNBC I am extremely angry with my company. And I plan to retire early just because I have no desire to help them in any way.

Comcast is a very liberal company. And I don't want to promote them or give them a dollar. MSNBC is far worse than Fox. But both are limiting their news to just that which incites the base. When people say that politics have become too polarized. Its the media doing it.

Barbara Bush said it best. I don't want Jeb to run. Not because he wouldn't make a good president. But good people should not have to go through this.

One more thought. While MSNBC redefines mean. Fox and MSNBC both limit what you see to only those issues they wish to report. Everyone who watches Fox should make sure they are also getting their news from other sources. Local news, foreign news and bloggers are helpful in rounding out a full story.

38 posted on 12/07/2013 10:11:38 AM PST by poinq
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WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU?


39 posted on 12/07/2013 10:22:32 AM PST by jimsin
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First off, you should never have to apologize for something you say. You should always say what you mean and mean what you say.

You should always measure your words before speaking them ... especially if you are on TV or radio.


43 posted on 12/07/2013 10:26:36 AM PST by CapnJack
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Read the comments at the article page. It is interesting there are people who believe MB could say such vile things and survive with his career intact.

In reality, there is nothing he could have done to salvage his reputation after this outburst. He is far too stupid for broadcasting, even as a liberal. As penance, however, he could have offered to undergo the treatment he prescribed for Palin on live tv and gone PPV. I would certainly have paid a nominal amount to see it, so long as it wasn't faked like much of his reporting.

47 posted on 12/07/2013 11:12:14 AM PST by The_Media_never_lie (Actually, they lie when it suits them! The crooked MS media must be defeated any way it can be done!)
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In my opinion, you should never apologize unless you are actually sorry. It usually only makes things worse. Most people who say something that causes outrage should just stick to their guns. Backing down only makes it worse, unless you really are sorry you said it. Only then should you apologize, and it should be personal. The “I regret if you were offended” is just adding insult to injury.

If he were truly sorry, he’d be a different kind of person than who he is and he’d never have said it in the first place. But if he was sorry, he’d find a way to apologize to her personally. It would probably be difficult since she has no reason to take his call. And she has no reason to imagine he is sincere as opposed to just trying to manipulate a bad situation.

In this case, I never watch this network anyway, and there isn’t much they could do to make me tune in. So I would never have known about his remarks if I didn’t read it here. I wouldn’t know about his apology either.

I like the way Sarah has handled it. In her case, she takes that and worse almost every week of her life. He’s just one more, and not that important. She has handled it gracefully.

The people who watch him, basically agree with him, so he’ll find his way back to the spotlight and they’ll make him a hero before its over. I think this article is a step in that direction. These are the kind of people we are up against.


49 posted on 12/07/2013 11:33:10 AM PST by marron
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MSNBC should have fired him that day, if not mid-show. And had he been talking about most people other than Sarah Palin, they probably would have. I’d like to think they have some minimal standards, anyway. I’d find it bizarre if Fox let a similar situation go this long. So it’s nice that Bashir apologized, but it was still a horrible thing to say, and I can’t say that either Bashir or MSNBC handled it well.


50 posted on 12/07/2013 11:35:28 AM PST by RichInOC (Palin 2016: The Perfect Storm.)
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As far as I know Sarah Palin has not been wrong on any issue except supporting John McCain (big mistake).
Liberals hate her because she does not back down and calls out the liberals.


55 posted on 12/07/2013 11:50:32 AM PST by minnesota_bound
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There are some comments for which an apology isn't really enough, and I think this is one of those. What is enough? Just go away and don't come back. And I think that's Bashir's best course of action.

Of the advice given in the article I gleaned one good bit - Bashir badly needed an editor to keep him from going public with this thing. That's what editors are for. I didn't find much fault with his apology, actually, assuming it really was his. But it was too late and in any case, see paragraph one.

It is a little disturbing that someone whose business is words has apparently never encountered the phrase "debt slavery", because that's exactly what Palin was talking about. Judging from the comments he isn't the only one. The fact is that a large number of liberals want so much to hate her, try so hard, that they have willingly forfeited their ability to communicate in the English language. For a journalist that's particularly damning.

Where does this hatred come from? All this intense hatred - I thought it was just fear combined with the rough-and-tumble of contemporary politics but I no longer find this a satisfactory explanation. There's something visceral, insensate, and not entirely sane about the hatred. Strange stuff.

56 posted on 12/07/2013 11:51:13 AM PST by Billthedrill
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When you owe enormous debts, you are a defacto slave.


59 posted on 12/07/2013 12:52:58 PM PST by VRWC For Truth (Roberts has perverted the Constitution)
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One of the commenters ssid, "I'm outraged that political time and effort is dedicated to chastising pundits for a slip of the tongue instead of righting societal wrongs."

Batshit's "slip of the tongue" was the longest slip of the tongue in history.

You will see this woman is a piece of work if you read the article.

60 posted on 12/07/2013 1:02:07 PM PST by Right Wing Assault
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It is Bashir and those who fail to see the truth in Palin's statement who are ignorant and uninformed and to be castigated. Palin's reference to "slavery," as related to America's debt and departure from principles of liberty is not only an apt one, it is in keeping with the wisdom of America's Founders' warnings:

"When designs are form'd to raze the very foundation of a free government, whose few who are to erect their grandeur and fortunes upon the general ruin will employ every art to sooth the devoted people into a state of indolence, inattention and security, which is forever the fore-runner of slavery." - Article signed "Candidus," in Boston Gazette, December 9, 1771"If the public are bound to yield obedience to laws to which they cannot give their approbation, they are slaves to those who make such laws and enforce them." - As Candidus in the Boston Gazette, January 20, 1772

"The right to freedom being the gift of God Almighty, it is not in the power of man to alienate this gift and voluntarily become a slave... These may be best understood by reading and carefully studying the institutes of the great Law Giver and Head of the Christian Church, which are to be found clearly written and promulgated in the New Testament." - Rights of the Colonists, November 20, 1772

"It is the greatest absurdity to suppose it in the power of one, or any number of men, at the entering into society, to renounce their essential natural rights, or the means of preserving those rights; when the grand end of civil government, from the very nature of its institution, is for the support, protection, and defence of those very rights; the principal of which, as is before observed, are Life, Liberty, and Property. If men, through fear, fraud, or mistake, should in terms renounce or give up any essential natural right, the eternal law of reason and the grand end of society would absolutely vacate such renunciation. The right to freedom being the gift of God Almighty, it is not in the power of man to alienate this gift and voluntarily become a slave." - The Rights of the Colonists, November 20, 1772

"Since private and publick Vices, are in Reality, though not always apparently, so nearly connected, of how much Importance, how necessary is it, that the utmost Pains be taken by the Publick, to have the Principles of Virtue early inculcated on the Minds even of children, and the moral Sense kept alive, and that the wise institutions of our Ancestors for these great Purposes be encouraged by the Government. For no people will tamely surrender their Liberties, nor can any be easily subdued, when knowledge is diffusd and Virtue is preservd. On the Contrary, when People are universally ignorant, and debauchd in their Manners, they will sink under their own weight without the Aid of foreign Invaders." Samuel Adams- Letter to James Warren, November 4, 1775

"...experience hath shewn, that even under the best forms (of government), those entrusted with power have, in time, and by slow operations, perverted it into tyranny; and it is believed that the most effectual means of preventing this would be, to illuminate...the minds of the people...to give them knowledge of those facts, which history exhibiteth. History, by apprizing them of the past, will enable them to judge of the future...it will qualify them as judges of the actions and designs of men; it will enable them to know ambition under every disguise it may assume; and knowing it, to defeat its views...." - Jefferson's Bill for the more general diffusion of knowledge for Virginia

"Although all men are born free, slavery has been the general lot of the human race. Ignorant--they have been cheated; asleep--they have been surprised; divided--the yoke has been forced upon them. But what is the lesson?...the people ought to be enlightened, to be awakened, to be united, that after establishing a government they should watch over it....It is universally admitted that a well-instructed people alone can be permanently free." - James Madison

"These principles form the bright constellation which has gone before us and guided our steps through an age of revolution and reformation. The wisdom of our sages and the blood of our heroes have been devoted to their attainment. They should be the creed of our political faith, the text of civic instruction, the touchstone by which to try the services of those we trust; and should we wander from them in moments of error or of alarm, let us hasten to retrace our steps and to regain the road which alone leads to peace, liberty, and safety." - Thomas Jefferson-First Inaugural Statement of Principles of Good Government

"...nip the shoots of arbitrary power in the bud, is the only maxim which can ever preserve the liberties of any people. When the people give way, their deceivers, betrayers, and destroyers press upon them so fast, that there is no resisting afterwards. The nature of the encroachment upon the American constitution is such, as to grow every day more and more encroaching. Like a cancer, it eats faster and faster every hour. The revenue creates pensioners, and the pensioners urge for more revenue. The people grow less steady, spirited, and virtuous, the seekers more numerous and more corrupt, and every day increases the circles of their dependents and expectants, until virtue, integrity, public spirit, simplicity, and frugality, become the objects of ridicule and scorn, and vanity, luxury, foppery, selfishness, meanness, and downright venality swallow up the whole society." - John Adams


61 posted on 12/07/2013 1:13:19 PM PST by loveliberty2
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“Could Bashir have handled this better?”

Well if there is any possible way for an Idiot not to be an Idiot, then the answer is yes!


66 posted on 12/07/2013 1:40:07 PM PST by Rock N Jones
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Let that be a lesson to you ‘people’; insult this Tea Party Queen at your own risk! Is losing your job really worth being applauded Twitter by some sport-haters you’ll never meet who are also likely to be unemployed? One for the team YAY!


67 posted on 12/07/2013 1:58:28 PM PST by lee martell
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If you were his PR adviser, what would you have told him to say or do?

"Please accept my resignation. You're on your own."

70 posted on 12/07/2013 3:02:14 PM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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