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Union official says train engineer 'nodded'
seattlepi.com ^ | Tuesday, December 3, 2013 | JIM FITZGERALD and TOM HAYS

Posted on 12/03/2013 3:34:41 PM PST by Second Amendment First

Edited on 12/03/2013 3:48:21 PM PST by Admin Moderator. [history]

The engineer in the commuter-train derailment that killed four people over the weekend caught himself nodding at the controls just before the wreck, a union official said Tuesday.

William Rockefeller "caught himself, but he caught himself too late," said Anthony Bottalico, leader of the rail employees union, relating what he said Rockfeller told him.


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Look for the union label ....
1 posted on 12/03/2013 3:34:41 PM PST by Second Amendment First
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To: Second Amendment First

This may, or may not, be true.


2 posted on 12/03/2013 3:36:11 PM PST by gorush (History repeats itself because human nature is static)
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To: gorush

The union is admitting he fell asleep.


3 posted on 12/03/2013 3:39:32 PM PST by Second Amendment First
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To: Second Amendment First

Clearly this is tires driving.


4 posted on 12/03/2013 3:39:53 PM PST by Domangart
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To: Second Amendment First

This is all about the City saving money. In a manual system such as this then there should be at least two train operators present. So many lives have been lost in train wrecks that would not have been lost if multiple operators were present.

How many pilots are present in a commercial aircraft? Not just one- that is for sure.


5 posted on 12/03/2013 3:40:55 PM PST by Revel
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To: Revel

They could save more money by having a GPS/computer run the train rather than some union drone.


6 posted on 12/03/2013 3:44:09 PM PST by Second Amendment First
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To: Second Amendment First

Nice try, Anthony, but as a union thug, spin is not your strong suit. Crack another Busch and have a nice piece of STFU jerky...


7 posted on 12/03/2013 3:44:55 PM PST by clintonh8r (Don't twerk me, Bro!)
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To: Revel

It is hard to believe the whole train deepened on one human driver. Humans are GOING to make mistakes. I blame the bureaucrats as much as I blame this guy.


8 posted on 12/03/2013 3:47:28 PM PST by DManA
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To: Second Amendment First

Nodded to who?


9 posted on 12/03/2013 3:48:10 PM PST by moovova
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To: Second Amendment First

But did they have rumble strips on the track to wake him up?

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOooooooooooooo!

That means it wasn’t his fault. Right? Come on, agree with me. He can’t be held accountable for his actions because that would go against the union code!


10 posted on 12/03/2013 3:51:48 PM PST by Jack Hydrazine (Pubbies = national collectivists; Dems = international collectivists; me = independent conservative)
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To: Second Amendment First
A nod’s as good as a wink to a dead passenger.
11 posted on 12/03/2013 3:52:19 PM PST by CrazyIvan (Obama phones= Bread and circuits.)
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To: Second Amendment First

Lie.


12 posted on 12/03/2013 3:55:38 PM PST by Cyber Liberty (H.L. Mencken: "The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule.")
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To: CrazyIvan

13 posted on 12/03/2013 3:57:13 PM PST by Jack Hydrazine (Pubbies = national collectivists; Dems = international collectivists; me = independent conservative)
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To: DManA
It is hard to believe the whole train deepened on one human driver.

But they do. Just about every train you see, light, heavy, commuter, anywhere has one driver. I bet they do on the bullets, too.

14 posted on 12/03/2013 3:58:33 PM PST by Cyber Liberty (H.L. Mencken: "The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule.")
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To: Second Amendment First
"He had the equivalent of what we all have when we drive a car. That is, you sometimes have a momentary nod or whatever that might be. How long that lasts, I can't answer that."

In other words: He fell asleep...

In the end "Sleep Apnea" will be blamed...

Guy looks overweight and probably borderline Type II diabetic too...

Of course, it wasn't his fault...He has a medical condition...

Disability for life...

15 posted on 12/03/2013 4:00:24 PM PST by Popman
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To: DManA
It is hard to believe the whole train deepened on one human driver. Humans are GOING to make mistakes

From the article:
In case of an engineer becoming incapacitated, the train's front car was equipped with a "dead man's pedal" that must be depressed or else the train will automatically slow down, Anders said.

Maybe they should put the dead mans switch under the guys chin...

BTW, many pieces of dangerous equipment like forklifts has a similar system...

16 posted on 12/03/2013 4:06:10 PM PST by Popman
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To: Popman

They are really getting tough on truck drivers with sleep apnea. If you have that diagnosis your company has to keep compliance records of the hours you use your CPAP machine. Or you lose your license.


17 posted on 12/03/2013 4:09:41 PM PST by DManA
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To: Revel

I assume you want 2 drivers on city buses also? By any reasonable safety analysis that would be more valuable.


18 posted on 12/03/2013 4:10:01 PM PST by nascarnation (Wish everyone see a "Gay Kwanzaa")
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To: DManA
They are really getting tough on truck drivers with sleep apnea.

First hand knowledge here...

I supervise CDL drivers so I have to comply with the same regs as they do...

Last time I went for my CDL medical certificate, because my BMI index was too high, I was REQUIRED to get a sleep apnea test within 30 days or have my doctor certify I did not have it...or I would lose my CDL license...

Guilty of having it without a single piece of evidence...

19 posted on 12/03/2013 4:15:28 PM PST by Popman
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To: Popman

I did some consulting for a CPAP manufacturer. Trucking companies are one of their biggest customers.


20 posted on 12/03/2013 4:18:37 PM PST by DManA
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