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Backdoor gun control is here: no lead means no bullets
allenbwest.com ^ | 12-1-2013 | LTC Allen West (USA, Ret.)

Posted on 12/01/2013 9:49:24 PM PST by servo1969

I am one who steers very clear of tinfoil hat conspiracy theories. I often believe progressives plant stories in order to distract and disrupt, enabling them to pursue their true goals and objectives. That’s why I stress the importance of staying focused on the modern liberal socialist policies of the Obama administration, not the sideshow antics.

However, as a former combat commander, I have been trained to look for trends. And I believe we’ve found a very disturbing one. it seems that back door gun control is in full effect in the United States. Why? Thanks to Obama’s Environmental Protection Agency (EPA), we can no longer smelt lead from ore in the United States.

The first contact the EPA made with The Doe Run Lead Smelter in Herculaneum, Missouri (population 2,800) was in 2008 but it was in 2010 that the EPA finally forced Doe Run to plan a shut down. This plant has been in operation since 1892 but will finally close its doors this month. It was the last lead smelting plant in the US.

The closedown is due to new extremely tight air quality restrictions placed on this specific plant. President Obama and his EPA raised the regulations by 10 fold and it would have cost the plant $100 million to comply.

In response to the Doe Run lead smelter shutdown, the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency said the Doe Run Company “made a business decision” to shut down the smelter instead of installing pollution control technologies needed to reduce sulfur dioxide and lead emissions as required by the Clean Air Act.

Of course this is why we need serious regulatory reform that precludes executive agency fiat, especially regulation implementation that exceeds a certain adverse financial impact to a private sector business.

Of course the canned progressive socialist response is “For years families with children near Doe Run’s facilities have been exposed to unacceptable levels of lead, one of the most dangerous neurotoxins in the environment,” said Cynthia Giles, assistant administrator for the EPA’s Office of Compliance and Enforcement Assurance. There are a few auxiliary lead processing plants remaining in the USA but their function is to re-claim lead from old batteries.

What this all means is that after December 2013, any ammunition that will be available to US citizens will have to be imported, which will surely increase the price and possibly come under government control. It seems this is fully in concert with the US Military and Homeland Defense recent purchase of large quantities of ammunition.

The effect is chilling: you can own all the guns you want, but if you can’t get ammo, you are out of luck. Remember when President Obama promised his minions that he was working on gun control behind the scenes? Welcome to it. The result is that all domestically mined lead ore will have to be shipped overseas, refined and then shipped back to the US.

Not only will ammo be even harder to come by, the demand and the process of supply will cause the price to skyrocket even more. And ponder this, there is an excellent chance that Obama will rig the market to where all ammo has to be purchased from the government instituting an ammo registration.

There hasn’t been a peep about this in the major news outlets, but it’s done. With the US no longer producing lead, all supplies will now have to come from China, Australia or Peru, with the overwhelming emphasis on China.

China is the largest miner of lead and the largest importer of scrap lead in the world. The highly progressive state of California recently passed a law that lead ammo is banned for sporting use. There is an alternative, copper ammo, but it is hugely expensive to make, and pure copper bullets are frequently labeled ‘cop killers’ so they can’t be sold.

So America, back door gun control is moving forward and while we are all distracted with Obamacare and Iran nuclear negotiations, our Second Amendment rights are undergoing an assault by clandestine infiltration. Remember we reported on this website the gun registration actions being undertaken in Washington DC. Barack Obama and his progressive socialist acolytes are quite savvy at political chess. He is seeking to outflank, envelope, and destroy the Second Amendment. Now it’s our move in 2014.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Crime/Corruption; Editorial; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Government
KEYWORDS: banglist; doerun; doerunleadsmelter; epa; guncontrol; lead; obama; secondamendment; tyranny
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To: servo1969

If you are a reloader... Start buying used car batteries....


21 posted on 12/01/2013 11:10:31 PM PST by GraceG
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To: fireman15

“Unfortunately car batteries contain mostly lead oxides”

Nope, not true. No lead oxides... Lead sulfates. The plates in a lead acid battery are a lead grid filled with sponge lead. The sulfur goes between lead sulphate and sulfuric acid, depending on the charge level.

Take one apart and melt it down. You get most off the weight as lead...


22 posted on 12/01/2013 11:12:18 PM PST by babygene ( .)
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To: servo1969

There is plenty of lead in Mexico.
We haven’t had smelters in thew USA for decades


23 posted on 12/01/2013 11:17:10 PM PST by mylife (Ted Cruz understands the law, and he does not fear the unlawful.)
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To: servo1969

BPUSA makes good lead

WWW.AEROSTAROUTDOORS.COM


24 posted on 12/01/2013 11:21:18 PM PST by mylife (Ted Cruz understands the law, and he does not fear the unlawful.)
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To: rktman

“What is it and where did he get it? Got some bunnies that could, uh, benefit from something like that. If they ain’t paying for the grass, they don’t get to munch on it.”

Do a Google search for battery powered air soft guns. You can buy them at walmart. I think he bought his online though..

I was surprised when I tried it. It will seriously hurt you... It’s not a toy.


25 posted on 12/01/2013 11:22:09 PM PST by babygene ( .)
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To: servo1969

Mexico is a large producer of lead.


26 posted on 12/01/2013 11:33:56 PM PST by dalereed
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To: servo1969
The highly progressive state of California recently passed a law that lead ammo is banned for sporting use.

No they didn't, it's a ban on hunting use (phased). While that still bugs me, it pisses me off that our side uses 'Rat style "fudge factor" reporting to hype subjects too because instead of just getting some straight dope, you have to do a bunch of research legwork yourself so you don't look like an idiot if you want to mention or bring the topic up further...

27 posted on 12/01/2013 11:38:19 PM PST by Axenolith (Government blows, and that which governs least, blows least...)
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http://www.bandpusa.com/


28 posted on 12/01/2013 11:40:35 PM PST by mylife (Ted Cruz understands the law, and he does not fear the unlawful.)
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Apparently Baschieri & Pellagri are no longer producing Lead shot.

Oh well that just makes the stuff I have more desirable.


29 posted on 12/01/2013 11:47:06 PM PST by mylife (Ted Cruz understands the law, and he does not fear the unlawful.)
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To: servo1969

I have plenty of factory made ammo. I also have 20 lb of lead, a smelter, bullet molds, brass, primers, and 2 reloading presses.


30 posted on 12/02/2013 2:02:35 AM PST by Conspiracy Guy (Did the ancients know they were ancients? Or did they see themselves as presents?)
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To: fireman15

I collect tire balancing weights. If you see a car on the highway with a bouncing tire or two. Think of Conspiracy Guy.


31 posted on 12/02/2013 2:06:33 AM PST by Conspiracy Guy (Did the ancients know they were ancients? Or did they see themselves as presents?)
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To: GraceG

Tire weights.


32 posted on 12/02/2013 2:07:49 AM PST by Conspiracy Guy (Did the ancients know they were ancients? Or did they see themselves as presents?)
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To: servo1969

I’m thinking Col. Allen West will be a very good Cabinet Secretary of the DoD. Luv the way this guy thinks and he doesn’t pander to anyone.

We just need Conservatives to control the WH, Senate and House. That dream is growing as more and more States are filling their elected positions with GOPs who are right of center at lower levels like City Councils, Mayors, State Legislatures, etc.

Back to topic... junk yards must be full of old cars with lead balance weights on wheels. What about all of the lead weights used by fishermen and duck hunters (for their decoys)? ....Old houses in the 1940s and earlier used lead weights on each side of each window (I grew up in one built in ‘43). ...........Just sayin’ that there are many sources of lead out there, if a person thinks about it...
I don’t see lead availability drying up.

The future Conservative GOP control of Congress should ABOLISH the EPA and Energy depts. for their wasteful spending of taxpayers’ dollars on frivolous projects and regulations. That would also include stoppage of using food (corn) to produce the ridiculous Ethanol and the requirement for low sulfur diesel fuel; both of which are damaging autos, semis and small gas engines.

Sorry for the long rant but thoughts just kept coming as I was typing. I know I got off topic inre LEAD, but the thread just caused me to think about bad regulations.


33 posted on 12/02/2013 2:08:13 AM PST by octex
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To: servo1969

This shutdown of bullet production is just the kind of thing that RINOs DON’T reverse when they take office.

If we ever have another President, and if it’s a Republican, watch to see if he allows lead smelting and ammo production to resume in the U.S.


34 posted on 12/02/2013 2:33:50 AM PST by Arthur McGowan
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To: octex
Old houses in the 1940s and earlier used lead weights on each side of each window (I grew up in one built in ‘43).

Almost all the sash weights I have seen were cast iron, not lead. (Not saying they couldn't be lead, just that I haven't seen any--and my house is 101.)

35 posted on 12/02/2013 2:41:13 AM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: servo1969

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glaser_Safety_Slug

I carry these. Lead free. MUCH safer... :)


36 posted on 12/02/2013 3:01:37 AM PST by Gen.Blather
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To: servo1969
As has been pointed out repeatedly on FR, there are several makers of non-lead bullets in the USA, they work quite well. Barnes bullets is the maker I am most familiar with and I know there ammo is great.

Make no mistake, banning lead bullets is definitely an attempt to keep people from having ammo but it hasn't worked and won't work.

37 posted on 12/02/2013 3:32:06 AM PST by calex59
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To: servo1969

Smelting lead is much different than recovering lead. Recovering lead will give the manufacturers all they need. Furthermore, there is still a wide-open marketplace in raw metals, and lead has many uses. Lots of Chinese imports still.


38 posted on 12/02/2013 3:34:20 AM PST by Lazamataz (Early 2009 to 7/21/2013 - RIP my little girl Cathy. You were the best cat ever. You will be missed.)
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To: Conspiracy Guy; GraceG; servo1969

Reclaimed Lead Shot - Washed and Re-Graphited (2-25) Bags 50 Pounds FREE Freight.$89.99

Magnum Lead Shot #7.5 50 lbs Freight Included. $99.99

http://www.rotometals.com/Lead-Shot-s/64.htm


39 posted on 12/02/2013 3:39:22 AM PST by Graybeard58 (_.. ._. .. _. _._ __ ___ ._. . ___ ..._ ._ ._.. _ .. _. .)
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To: Gen.Blather
Lead free.

Not quite:

The current bullet has a core of very tightly packed lead pellets.

40 posted on 12/02/2013 4:12:42 AM PST by Moltke (Sapere aude!)
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