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More than 100,000 protesters march in Ukraine over refusal to sign EU agreeement
FOX ^
| December 1, 2013
| AP
Posted on 12/01/2013 9:43:25 AM PST by 1rudeboy
KIEV, Ukraine – More than 100,000 demonstrators chased away police to rally in the center of Ukraine's capital on Sunday, defying a government ban on protests on Independence Square, in the biggest show of anger over the president's refusal to sign an agreement with the European Union.
Thousands of demonstrators tried to storm the nearby presidential administration building, but were driven back by riot police using tear gas and flash grenades, which produce a loud bang but are not intended to cause injury. The standoff continued, with more demonstrators arriving.
The protest was led by prominent opposition politicians, who demanded that President Viktor Yanukovych and his government resign. They also called for a nationwide strike and for tents to be set up to allow demonstrators to remain on the square around the clock.
"Our plan is clear: It's not a demonstration, it's not a reaction. It's a revolution," said Yuriy Lutsenko, speaking from the top of a bus.
Chants of "revolution" resounded across a sea of yellow and blue Ukrainian and EU flags on the square, where the government had prohibited rallies starting Sunday.
The crowd was by far the largest since the protests began more than a week ago. Many of the demonstrators had traveled to Kiev from western Ukraine, where pro-EU sentiment is particularly strong.
"We are furious," said Mykola Sapronov, a 62-year-old retired businessman. "The leaders must resign. We want Europe and freedom."
Protests have been held daily in Kiev since Yanukovych backed away from an agreement that would have established free trade and deepened political cooperation between Ukraine and the EU. He justified the decision by saying that Ukraine could not afford to break trade ties with Russia.
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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; Russia
KEYWORDS: europeanunion; evilempire; neosovietempire; russia; ukraine; zerosleeway
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To: Revel
Now I’m convinced. Roger Daltrey suggests that Ukraine should wrap itself in the loving embrace of the Soviet . . . err . . . Russia. Because the EU.
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posted on
12/01/2013 3:54:06 PM PST
by
1rudeboy
To: 1rudeboy
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posted on
12/01/2013 4:30:46 PM PST
by
palmer
(Obama = Carter + affirmative action)
To: 1rudeboy
“Bear in mind that the EU has never forcibly occupied the Ukraine”
Look up panzers in Ukraine. You do realize that the EU is basically German bankers running Europe?
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posted on
12/01/2013 5:50:07 PM PST
by
DesertRhino
(I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
To: 1rudeboy
The EU central bank is in Frankfurt. That is the power running the EU.
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posted on
12/01/2013 5:55:51 PM PST
by
DesertRhino
(I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
To: 1rudeboy
The populous and heavily Russian-speaking east is wary of Europe. There’s no chance for another “color revolution” in Ukraine.
Ethnic Ukrainians who speak Russian are looked down as country bumpkins by those in the west of the country. As long the opposition tries to play off Europe against Russia, they will get nowhere.
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posted on
12/01/2013 6:46:08 PM PST
by
goldstategop
(In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
To: palmer
Basically the banks in the rich European countries are first in line for payment from the poor European countries. Wow! That's awful!
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posted on
12/01/2013 7:11:38 PM PST
by
Toddsterpatriot
(Science is hard. Harder if you're stupid.)
To: Viennacon
The treaty under discussion would establish free trade between the Ukraine and the EU, not give the Ukraine EU membership or force it to use the euro. Of course, Putin doesn’t want countries that he currently controls through his tariff union trading with anyone else, lest he lose control.
Perhaps the best solution is to partition the Ukraine between east and west, so that the Russophones can become a satellite of Mother Russia while the Ukrainian-speaking majority (over 75% of the population, I believe) can forge their own destiny.
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posted on
12/01/2013 7:39:52 PM PST
by
AuH2ORepublican
(If a politician won't protect innocent babies, what ma kes you think that he'll defend your rights?)
To: AuH2ORepublican
“while the Ukrainian-speaking majority (over 75% of the population, I believe) can forge their own destiny.”
AKA - become a satellite of Brussels. Maybe they could become like Greece and have a technocrat appointed by the EU politburo. EU will be finished in the next few years anyway, so why bother? If the UK votes to leave, that’s the start of the exodus.
To: Viennacon
If Ukrainians want to join the EU, that’s their problem, but it should be their call, not Putin’s. of course, the proposed treaty is *not* for EU membership, or adoption of the euro; it’s for free trade with the largest market outside of North America.
I agree that the EU will collapse as a currency union and nascent political union (and have thought that it was a ridiculous idea since people first conceived it in the late 1980s, when I was in high school), but the old EEC was a very good idea, and whatever occurs I don’t think that they’ll get rid of free trade among current EU members. Having free trade with most European countries would be quite beneficial to the Ukraine, as it would be to just about any country.
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posted on
12/01/2013 8:00:36 PM PST
by
AuH2ORepublican
(If a politician won't protect innocent babies, what ma kes you think that he'll defend your rights?)
To: AuH2ORepublican
An economic union that involves the EU demanding Ukraine release people in prison? Are those not internal affairs for Ukraine? What business does Brussels have with the Ukrainian legal system?
To: Viennacon
I don’t know the details of the EU’s conditions for free trade, but it seems to me that (i) they are far less restrictive than the amount of control excercised by Russia over members of its “tariff union” and (ii) the wisdom of entering into such treaty should be up to Ukrainians, not Russians.
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posted on
12/02/2013 1:49:44 AM PST
by
AuH2ORepublican
(If a politician won't protect innocent babies, what ma kes you think that he'll defend your rights?)
To: Toddsterpatriot; 1rudeboy; Viennacon
>>>The EU needs another weak country to plunder from
Which weak countries have they plundered from before? Any numbers to back up your claim?
usually by aiding left wing radicals into the government and extorting huge membership fees.
Membership fees? How much? Link?<<<
All you need is to check out how is it going in most of the newer EU or candidate states.
Most of them had prolonged economic growth, effectively replaced with deep recession right after EU agreement.
Choice for the Ukraine is tough, but I’m sure that people who want to be with Russia are easily able to assemble as large crowd of supporters.
To: 1rudeboy
Yanukovi h is trying to tread water here. Won’t work for long. The best path for UkrIne is to establish strong trade relations with the EU but stay away from the Euro. Also Ukraine should join the Schengen Agreement
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posted on
12/02/2013 2:58:56 AM PST
by
Jimmy Valentine
(DemocRATS - when they speak, they lie; when they are silent, they are stealing the American Dream)
To: Paleo Conservative
Kreschatik Street. The best place for girl watching in Ukraine!
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posted on
12/02/2013 3:02:38 AM PST
by
Jimmy Valentine
(DemocRATS - when they speak, they lie; when they are silent, they are stealing the American Dream)
To: cunning_fish
All you need is to check out how is it going in most of the newer EU or candidate states. I thought the newer, weaker members got subsidies. If you have any proof they get plundered instead, please show me.
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posted on
12/02/2013 6:52:45 AM PST
by
Toddsterpatriot
(Science is hard. Harder if you're stupid.)
To: Jimmy Valentine
>>>Also Ukraine should join the Schengen Agreement<<<
Absolutely unrealistic scenario. Ukrainian average annual income is about half of German average monthly income. It is much more realistic for Kazakhstan or Russia to join Schengen Agreement for that reason.
To: Toddsterpatriot
>>>All you need is to check out how is it going in most of the newer EU or candidate states.
I thought the newer, weaker members got subsidies. If you have any proof they get plundered instead, please show me.<<<
Draw parallels with the ‘poor’ of America. They have all kinds of subsidies but has it made them any richer?
Subsidies are instrument to establish dependency in both cases. And to make poor poorer.
The European Union’s ‘Convergence Machine’ Is Badly Broken:
http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3096259/posts
Take Croatia as an example.
Poland is a good example too. Once a champion of Eastern Europe it is now technically a Mexico of United Europe.
To: cunning_fish
Draw parallels with the poor of America. They have all kinds of subsidies but has it made them any richer? Subsidies are instrument to establish dependency in both cases. And to make poor poorer. Yeah, subsidies can be terrible. Kinda the opposite of plundering though, thanks for trying.
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posted on
12/02/2013 2:20:24 PM PST
by
Toddsterpatriot
(Science is hard. Harder if you're stupid.)
To: Toddsterpatriot
Money from subsidies have to come from somewhere. Plundering is the usual method.
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posted on
12/02/2013 2:23:55 PM PST
by
GeronL
(Extra Large Cheesy Over-Stuffed Hobbit)
To: GeronL
Yup. The rich countries are plundered to bribe the poor countries.
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posted on
12/02/2013 2:28:33 PM PST
by
Toddsterpatriot
(Science is hard. Harder if you're stupid.)
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