Posted on 12/01/2013 9:43:25 AM PST by 1rudeboy
Now I’m convinced. Roger Daltrey suggests that Ukraine should wrap itself in the loving embrace of the Soviet . . . err . . . Russia. Because the EU.
yes.
“Bear in mind that the EU has never forcibly occupied the Ukraine”
Look up panzers in Ukraine. You do realize that the EU is basically German bankers running Europe?
The EU central bank is in Frankfurt. That is the power running the EU.
The populous and heavily Russian-speaking east is wary of Europe. There’s no chance for another “color revolution” in Ukraine.
Ethnic Ukrainians who speak Russian are looked down as country bumpkins by those in the west of the country. As long the opposition tries to play off Europe against Russia, they will get nowhere.
Wow! That's awful!
The treaty under discussion would establish free trade between the Ukraine and the EU, not give the Ukraine EU membership or force it to use the euro. Of course, Putin doesn’t want countries that he currently controls through his tariff union trading with anyone else, lest he lose control.
Perhaps the best solution is to partition the Ukraine between east and west, so that the Russophones can become a satellite of Mother Russia while the Ukrainian-speaking majority (over 75% of the population, I believe) can forge their own destiny.
“while the Ukrainian-speaking majority (over 75% of the population, I believe) can forge their own destiny.”
AKA - become a satellite of Brussels. Maybe they could become like Greece and have a technocrat appointed by the EU politburo. EU will be finished in the next few years anyway, so why bother? If the UK votes to leave, that’s the start of the exodus.
If Ukrainians want to join the EU, that’s their problem, but it should be their call, not Putin’s. of course, the proposed treaty is *not* for EU membership, or adoption of the euro; it’s for free trade with the largest market outside of North America.
I agree that the EU will collapse as a currency union and nascent political union (and have thought that it was a ridiculous idea since people first conceived it in the late 1980s, when I was in high school), but the old EEC was a very good idea, and whatever occurs I don’t think that they’ll get rid of free trade among current EU members. Having free trade with most European countries would be quite beneficial to the Ukraine, as it would be to just about any country.
An economic union that involves the EU demanding Ukraine release people in prison? Are those not internal affairs for Ukraine? What business does Brussels have with the Ukrainian legal system?
I don’t know the details of the EU’s conditions for free trade, but it seems to me that (i) they are far less restrictive than the amount of control excercised by Russia over members of its “tariff union” and (ii) the wisdom of entering into such treaty should be up to Ukrainians, not Russians.
>>>The EU needs another weak country to plunder from
Which weak countries have they plundered from before? Any numbers to back up your claim?
usually by aiding left wing radicals into the government and extorting huge membership fees.
Membership fees? How much? Link?<<<
All you need is to check out how is it going in most of the newer EU or candidate states.
Most of them had prolonged economic growth, effectively replaced with deep recession right after EU agreement.
Choice for the Ukraine is tough, but I’m sure that people who want to be with Russia are easily able to assemble as large crowd of supporters.
Yanukovi h is trying to tread water here. Won’t work for long. The best path for UkrIne is to establish strong trade relations with the EU but stay away from the Euro. Also Ukraine should join the Schengen Agreement
Kreschatik Street. The best place for girl watching in Ukraine!
I thought the newer, weaker members got subsidies. If you have any proof they get plundered instead, please show me.
>>>Also Ukraine should join the Schengen Agreement<<<
Absolutely unrealistic scenario. Ukrainian average annual income is about half of German average monthly income. It is much more realistic for Kazakhstan or Russia to join Schengen Agreement for that reason.
>>>All you need is to check out how is it going in most of the newer EU or candidate states.
I thought the newer, weaker members got subsidies. If you have any proof they get plundered instead, please show me.<<<
Draw parallels with the ‘poor’ of America. They have all kinds of subsidies but has it made them any richer?
Subsidies are instrument to establish dependency in both cases. And to make poor poorer.
The European Union’s ‘Convergence Machine’ Is Badly Broken:
http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3096259/posts
Take Croatia as an example.
Poland is a good example too. Once a champion of Eastern Europe it is now technically a Mexico of United Europe.
Yeah, subsidies can be terrible. Kinda the opposite of plundering though, thanks for trying.
Money from subsidies have to come from somewhere. Plundering is the usual method.
Yup. The rich countries are plundered to bribe the poor countries.
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