Posted on 11/29/2013 6:22:47 AM PST by kristinn
Chinese state media say China has sent two fighter planes to investigate flights by a dozen U.S. and Japanese planes in its newly established maritime air defence zone over the East China Sea.
It is thought the incident is separate to China's announcement that it would carry out regular patrols in its air zone.
(Excerpt) Read more at telegraph.co.uk ...
The Union problem could be solved overnight via Executive Order
Declare all States “Right to Work”, prohibit witholding of union dues from paychecks and revoke Kennedys Executive Order allowing Federal workers to unionize.
One step towards making the USA more competetive against the chinese communists
Let me take your mind off of that:
Good thing the Chinese scrambled their jets before we fried them.
Everybody should just keep flying in this zone as much as possible. If China keeps scrambling jets each time, they’ll use up all their engine time doing this and soon will have to stop because everything they’ve got is being refurbished at the same time.
Good thing Wong Wei is no longer around to pilot a J-8.
The trade off is that with more jobs there are fewer welfare slobs to support via taxes. I'd rather have the option to pay fewer taxes through lower income taxes and just not buying foreign crap that I'm already not buying.
Kinda like VD???
While they mine mercilessly, we shut down mines, power plants, and smelters. We will not have to just manufacture goods, but the means of production and re-develop the resources to feed them.
Try buying a pair of work boots not made in China, a pocket knife, electronics. There isn't much. The last LL Bean catalog I opened had almost all imported goods. We might be able to feed an army, but to clothe and equip it will become difficult in any protracted conflict--especially if that conflict is with China.
Show me the math. I say that figure is pulled out of his arse.
RE: I say that figure is pulled out of his arse.
Between him and you, I’ll take his word for it thank you.
PLUS, if it were so successful, why did the government rescind the tariff? There has to be a good reason — IT DID NOT WORK.
Thank you for admitting that the figure you quoted was fiction. In other words BS.
RE: Thank you for admitting that the figure you quoted was fiction. In other words BS.
Nope, I admit nothing. Prof. Walter Williams has a lots of credibility, even in this forum.
And thank you for not explaining to me if it was such a great deal for the USA, why the tariff was eventually rescinded.
I direct you to this site for instance:
http://articles.latimes.com/2003/sep/28/nation/na-steel28
EXCERPT:
Tindall, president of a company that makes brackets and springs for the auto industry, has laid off 17 employees since Bush imposed tariffs on imported steel last year, and he’s struggling to retain the 85 people still on his payroll.
Chubb, an industrial engineer let go in March by a truck part maker, just wants another job. Any job. And a new president.
“Yes, I was a casualty of steel tariffs. Yes, I feel a great deal of bitterness,” said Chubb, who survived previous rounds of industry contractions but senses that this loss is permanent. “Basically, my job went to Korea. It’s not coming back.”
The tariffs, put in place to protect companies and workers in steel-producing states such as Pennsylvania, have cost jobs in steel-consuming states such as Michigan. While the administration expected that the tariffs would not be well-received in international markets, it did not fully anticipate the backlash at home.
You might also want to read the analysis of another Professor of Economics about tariffs, again, well respected in the FR forum:
http://articles.baltimoresun.com/2005-06-16/news/0506160077_1_tariffs-smoot-hawley
Tariff disaster offers a lesson on the folly of protectionism
by Thomas Sowell
EXCERPT:
Many factors, of course, affected the Great Depression of the 1930s. But later economists looking back have seen Hawley-Smoot as one of the factors needlessly prolonging the economic disaster.
How much wiser are we today? Not much, if at all.
Talk about import restrictions or complaints about “outsourcing” today proceed with the same mindless disregard of what other nations are doing and will do.
People who throw around statistics about how many American jobs have been outsourced don’t even mention how many Americans have jobs that have been outsourced from other countries, much less how many Americans would lose those jobs if we started a new round of international trade restrictions.
Precisely. As we have seen, that which is subsidized flourishes at the expense of those who provide the subsidy.
The Chinese seek to increase their control over what are likely vast oil and gas reserves offshore. If people have been paying attention, the Chinese have been buying up mineral rights/resources worldwide, and not just oil and gas, but coal and base and precious metals as well.
I was thinking that it could, in about 20 minutes flat, turn into the largest aerial general engagement since the Marianas Turkey Shoot.
Interesting POV, considering that "the sun would still rise in the morning" even if all life disappeared from the planet that had fewer than six legs.
I thought we generally asked a little more of life.
What is our policy for obtaining them?
What is our strategy for implementing them?
In short, do we have any idea what the hell it is we are doing?
Are we just blundering and blustering?
Are we, like Germany in 1914 committed to go to war at the bidding of Austria, or France at the bidding of Russia? Or even as England thought it was bound to protect Belgium? Who is setting policy among the countries that ring China? Barack Obama? John Kerry? Good God!
Even if we don't get into a war caused by some trigger-happy, over-eager Chinese fighter jock, what might our allies commit us to? And for what purpose?
I am not opposed to war in principle, but I am opposed to fighting a war and finding out why later.
It is an open question who hates America more, Barack Obama, John Kerry, or the Chinese communist militarists. If we had a patriot in charge he would start at the top of this list and ask:
What are America's national interests?
Interesting POV, considering that “the sun would still rise in the morning” even if all life disappeared from the planet that had fewer than six legs.
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