Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

Minnesota solar subsidy revised
MPLS Star & Sickle ^ | 11-22-13 | DAVID SHAFFER

Posted on 11/25/2013 10:59:18 AM PST by TurboZamboni

Minnesota’s expanded $15 million-a-year program to support homegrown solar panel manu­fac­turing will of­fer output-based in­cen­tives for the first time, ac­cord­ing to de­tails re­leased Fri­day. The program, fund­ed by ratepayers of the state’s four investor-owned utilities, will pay homeowners, businesses, nonprofits and governments from 13 cents per kilowatt-hour to 27 cents per kilowatt-hour over 10 years of output from solar arrays built by either of the state’s two panel makers. The retail electricity rate in Minnesota is about 10 cents per kilowatt-hour. The payments are on top of what system owners get for selling power back to utilities, a signal that solar energy remains significantly higher priced than other generation. TenKsolar, which manufactures panels in Bloomington, and Silicon Energy, with a plant in Mountain Iron, Minn., are the two companies that benefit from the program. It was expanded under a 2013 state law that also requires investor-owned utilities to get 1.5 percent of their power from solar energy by 2020.

(Excerpt) Read more at startribune.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Government; US: Minnesota
KEYWORDS: boondoggle; fraud; green; solar

1 posted on 11/25/2013 10:59:18 AM PST by TurboZamboni
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | View Replies]

To: TurboZamboni

LOL if you think about it its kind of funny. Minnesota + solar = subsidies.


2 posted on 11/25/2013 11:05:17 AM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: TurboZamboni

How much will they pay for hamsters on treadmills?


3 posted on 11/25/2013 11:08:56 AM PST by RightGeek (FUBO and the donkey you rode in on)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: TurboZamboni

I left MN 25 years ago because your average Minnesotan had no concept of technology.
Suggesting that Minnesotan’s put fragile solar panels on their roof to be buried under a foot of snow is proof.
Ice dams will rip them apart.


4 posted on 11/25/2013 11:09:59 AM PST by Zathras
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: RightGeek

$350 per hampsterwatt


5 posted on 11/25/2013 11:13:44 AM PST by TurboZamboni (Marx smelled bad & lived with his parents most his life.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: Zathras

Here in the midwest, if you’re going to go green, hydro is the only thing that makes any kind of sense. Its also the reason the greenies are desperate to tear out as many dams as they can.


6 posted on 11/25/2013 11:18:40 AM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 4 | View Replies]

To: cripplecreek

When we built new in 2001, I looked at all the available technologies for residential heat/cool and settled on a ground source heat pump. Four 200 foot wells under the driveway kick out cheap heat and AC.

300 + percent efficiency is tough to beat. Payback was less than 5 years vs. traditional all electric.


7 posted on 11/25/2013 11:40:48 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks ("Say Not the Struggle Naught Availeth.")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 6 | View Replies]

To: Zathras

Hey dere! Yous just cover dem solar thingies up with one a dem plastic tarps from the Fleet Farm, not? Keep alla snow an ice offa dem, jest like it keeps it offa the ole Scout.


8 posted on 11/25/2013 11:41:15 AM PST by bigbob (The best way to get a bad law repealed is to enforce it strictly. Abraham Lincoln)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 4 | View Replies]

To: bigbob

Yah Du, that should fix it. We get Sven and Ole up on da roof to install it.


9 posted on 11/25/2013 12:08:29 PM PST by Zathras
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 8 | View Replies]

To: TurboZamboni

I have always found this to be a stupid idea. Unreliable, intermitten and unplanned electricity on the grid from too many people is going to be a huge hazard. Assuming way more people bothered with it.


10 posted on 11/25/2013 12:15:54 PM PST by GeronL (Extra Large Cheesy Over-Stuffed Hobbit)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: cripplecreek

They do not want sensible. They want people to use less power. They want us back in caves.


11 posted on 11/25/2013 12:16:42 PM PST by GeronL (Extra Large Cheesy Over-Stuffed Hobbit)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 6 | View Replies]

To: Zathras
27 cents per kilowatt-hour over 10 years of output from solar arrays

Big gov solar panels work fine under a foot of snow. It just requires buying the power at 10 cents retail, running it through the solar panels, then selling it back for 27 cents.

12 posted on 11/25/2013 12:39:24 PM PST by Reeses
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 4 | View Replies]

To: Eric in the Ozarks

Wish we would have thought of it several years ago, but now I’m not so sure we will live here long enough to make it worth the cost. Aren’t those pumps really expensive?


13 posted on 11/25/2013 1:01:21 PM PST by Pining_4_TX (All those who were appointed to eternal life believed. Acts 13:48)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 7 | View Replies]

To: Pining_4_TX
About $23,000 for the entire system including the thermal floor option. To do this with a traditional system, I'd put the cost at $8,000-$12,000.
The heat exchanger unit is in a closet. Nothing is visible outside the house.

To back this up, we opted for the best Andersen windows and doors, blown cellulose in 2 X 6 exterior walls and about R-70 blown cellulose in the ceiling.

I caulked all the receptacle and switch boxes and foamed every hole where wiring was run through 2 X 4s and 2 X 6s, sealing off each column from the next.

We have broad roof overhangs to keep the sun out, except in winter months (our architect placed the house to take advantage of winter sun and avoid summer sun.) Summers in the Ozarks can be brutal.

One home heating expert recommends sealing off the attic vents but I'm not sure this is a good idea.

The University of Minnesota had a Cold Climate Housing study some years ago. You might see if you can find a copy. It's useful no matter what climate you have.

14 posted on 11/25/2013 1:19:28 PM PST by Eric in the Ozarks ("Say Not the Struggle Naught Availeth.")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 13 | View Replies]

To: Eric in the Ozarks

I know a dude who sells geo-therm. best done on new construction to be an affordable ROI.

No roof vents means too hot an attic and often ice dams.
If you have a traditional shingle roof, it’ll often cut in half the life of the shingles.


15 posted on 11/25/2013 1:49:49 PM PST by TurboZamboni (Marx smelled bad & lived with his parents most his life.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 14 | View Replies]

To: TurboZamboni
And, you don't want to be the installer's first customer. I ran into a guy who had a similar system to mine put in new. It didn't work to his expectations and the tubes in the wells had leaks.
16 posted on 11/25/2013 1:58:05 PM PST by Eric in the Ozarks ("Say Not the Struggle Naught Availeth.")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 15 | View Replies]

To: Eric in the Ozarks

If I owned new-con house,I’d get geo thermal.

Algore said the Earth’s core is millions of degrees so I would stay toasty warm.


17 posted on 11/25/2013 2:02:27 PM PST by TurboZamboni (Marx smelled bad & lived with his parents most his life.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 16 | View Replies]

To: TurboZamboni

Hadn’t thought of that.


18 posted on 11/25/2013 2:07:47 PM PST by Eric in the Ozarks ("Say Not the Struggle Naught Availeth.")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 17 | View Replies]

To: Eric in the Ozarks

Thanks! I appreciate the information. Probably beyond what we can spend, though, since I don’t know how long we will be living here.


19 posted on 12/05/2013 1:10:22 PM PST by Pining_4_TX (All those who were appointed to eternal life believed. Acts 13:48)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 14 | View Replies]

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson