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To: LibLieSlayer

Let’s not kid ourselves. W started this. The night it started I told my wife “This will go on forever because we’re not willing to do what will have to be done to win it.” The only way to defeat these people is to nuke them off the face of the earth. We won’t do that.

Where I blame obama is he’s been saying since day one he was going to bring our troops home. We’ve been there for 13 freakin’ years. He was going to close Gitmo. Come on, obama lovers! Hold him to his word for once!

And by the way, Gitmo was a stupid idea. We built a POW camp to house “POWs” who aren’t fighting for a recognized enemy. Just how long did we expect this shit to last? They all should have been executed the day they were captured. Again, we won’t do what must be done.

If I was a soldier stationed there I’d knock the crap out of some NCO or officer I didn’t like, get courtmartialed, sent to Leavenworth for a while then go home. If I wasn’t in the military I sure as hell wouldn’t join.


14 posted on 11/25/2013 10:13:01 AM PST by VerySadAmerican (".....Barrack, and the horse Mohammed rode in on.")
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To: VerySadAmerican
Let’s not kid ourselves. W started this.
Yes, and his daddy with desert storm back in 1991. When that mess started I knew it would be unending bad news and our young people dying for a tribe of primitive sub humans who haven't advanced past pottery. The entire population of the middle east save Israel is not worth one drop of American blood, never has been. A pox on all of them, neocons and commies.
29 posted on 11/25/2013 10:43:33 AM PST by dainbramaged (Joe McCarthy was right.)
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To: VerySadAmerican

Don’t look for me to argue with your sound logic... I would have quietly dispatched enemy combatants after they were no longer useful.


38 posted on 11/25/2013 11:45:52 AM PST by LibLieSlayer (FROM MY COLD, DEAD HANDS! BETTER DEAD THAN RED!)
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To: VerySadAmerican

The only way to defeat these people is to nuke them off the face of the earth.
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Disagree on this point.

There is another way.

The other way is to collapse the price of oil.

I believe that we are on the way to doing that. But the strategic policy is not coming from the US government but rather from the american culture itself.

By increasing the supply of oil and decreasing the demand for oil—the USA will slowly strangle the price of oil and the economies that depend on oil—like the gulf states and russia. Its a slow deal. Its going to happen.

On the supply side the USA for each of the last three years has increased oil production by 1 million barrels@ day. The USA is now producing 3 million barrels@ day more than it did three years ago. As well, the USA is on track to produce an extra 1 million barrels @ day for each of the next two years. Citi bank analysts believe that 6 years from now, the USA will be producing 5 million barrels a day more than it is now. Or roughly 12 million barrels @ day. This will make the USA oil independent. And also pressure the price of oil downward.

On the demand side American trucks are buses are rapidly shifting over to natural gas to take advantage of lower natural gas prices. Fully 40 percent of the demand for oil in the USA comes from trucks and buses. Natural gas now costs fully 1/3 less than diesel. This is a huge incentive for trucking companies and buses to switch over—and take off demand for oil.

More slowly rising fuel economy is lowering demand. Rising fuel economy and rising for demand for natural gas as a fuel substitute for trucks and buses —has caused demand for oil to actually fall in the last couple years.

Longer term —10 years out — electric cars will play an increasing role in the economy. Tesla is forcing the major car companies to invest further in electric cars—not just because of what Tesla has done but also because of what Tesla plans to do. Tesla plans to change the world. We won’t know how fast that will happen until 2016. If Tesla that year can come out with a 30k car that can do at least 200 miles on a charge —then it won’t be more than five years after that before electric cars start to pull significant market share from internal combustion based cars. We’re still only talking 1-2% nationwide. But after that the proportion of internal combustion cars on the road will steadily slide. Shell oil expects worldwide demand for oil to peak in 2030 and fall by 2040.

This will collapse the price of oil. Why?

Oil is priced at the margin.

Five years from now oil will be in the 50-60 dollar@ barrel range. 10 years from now oil will be in the 30-40 dollar @ barrel range. even at 50-60 dollars @ barrel the moslems won’t have extra money for terrorists and other stuff they consider fun.


39 posted on 11/25/2013 12:10:15 PM PST by ckilmer
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