Deeds stabbed father 1 day after he was sent to psych ward but sent away as there was no room.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2510018/Creigh-Deeds-Virginia-governor-candidate-stabbed-son-home.html ^

[frithguild]

Think of it this way - Cree Deeds did not want to take the possible political hit of a close family member going to the jail. Some people absolutely recoil at even the consideration of jail as a solution. Mr. Deeds could not get his son into a hospital, so he took him home. Now He’s dead, when he just should have been treated. Legally speaking nobody is at fault. There lies the problem.

[mmichaels1970]

Also I don’t know if his dad was of means.

He is a serving state senator who ran for governor...I'd guess he probably had means or at least wan't poor.

[Jane Long]

Only time will tell the root cause.

Sad story, on many levels. The parent's divorced in 2010, after Creigh's failed run at Governor. (From the article...He and his wife of two decades, Pam, divorced in February 2010 after the embarrassing loss turned him into a punchline in some political circles.) He recently remarried (2012).

A lot to have happen to a 24 year old...or anyone at any age.

[HiTech RedNeck]

I am getting a possible picture... now this is just possible, I am not pretending to be some infallible prophet or clairvoyant... a kid who knew he was in trouble and his dad was callous about helping. And this is how he got back at his dad. OK dad I will knife you up and then kill myself and now how do you think your attitude worked out?

Of course wrong to do... because there is a God that can help you recover from the worst tragedies. But maybe the lad and his dad never knew God.

[frithguild]

more and more people are going mad

There are always going to be those who suffer transient psychotic episodes. Perhaps you are right that underlying societal conditions may mitigate the quantity, but there is no cure. As a society today, we just close our eyes and then there is no problem.

[HiTech RedNeck]

Well a relationship with the living God is, in the long run, a healing for everything. In the short term, there are some convalescent agonies.

In short: if society finds itself seemingly damned by God, it should first ask itself whether it first damned God. The answer will be yes.

[ez]

Let’s be bigger men than the leftists and pray for Mr. Deeds’ recovery. (Ffft ... mr deeds :)

[Mastador1]

This should play well with the Brits, now they can say that American healthcare is on a par with England’s!

[mmichaels1970]

Mr. Deeds could not get his son into a hospital, so he took him home. Now He’s dead, when he just should have been treated. Legally speaking nobody is at fault.

I'll reserve judgement until the facts come out. But I'd think the hospital would have put up a heck of a fight to prevent Deeds from taking his son home. Once you check in under those sorts of circumstances, at least in my neck of the woods, it is extremely difficult to check out unless somebody in authority deems the crisis has passed.

Even if a bed is found at another facility. The matter of practice around here is that the person is transported via ambulance to intake rather than taken there by a parent, guardian, or friend. I've seen it at two different ER's in two different hospital networks.

I'm not sure what the circumstance specifically was going in. But if he was suicidal or homicidal it's almost standard procedure to go through a 5-7 day evaluation period before it is determined that the crisis is over.

If the situation were that this kid was exhibiting homicidal or suicidal ideations, then there may indeed be somebody legally at fault.

[jocon307]

Yes, it is really dreadful.

And this is one of those areas where I think there would be largely agreement, across political, demographic groups.

But somehow, a while ago, our country decided putting dopes in charge of things was a good idea.

Hey, not that things were great before, but mental illness is an area where there have been advances but in many cases the mentally ill are no better off than they ever were.

If you look at the homeless population and even those in prison many (if not most in the case of the homeless) are severely mentally ill.

[ClayinVA]

Deeds is fairly conservative for a Dem and has a good NRA rating. Also, is from a very Rural county.

[ClayinVA]

Considering he is a current State Senator, I would say the crap is going to hit the fan in Richmond.

[HiTech RedNeck]

Moods can change mercurially and evaluations obviously depend on what the person says. The person could be envisioning mayhem and murder, and yet give a very sweet spiel when questioned. Multiple-personality breaks can work that way depending on what personality is at the fore.

At the base of most mental illnesses, I would assert, are lies of some kind. The mind can only embrace so many lies before it goes tilt.

[jocon307]

Let me add this - there is still a stigma attached to mental illness, I think that is really a big part of it.

If your child or spouse or you have cancer well that is one thing. But if it’s mental illness, it seems that somehow people seek to impart blame.

This stigma has been overcome, to a large extent, in terms of substance abuse and addiction, but not in terms of mental illness.

And let’s face it, a lot of money is spent treating those who are merely neurotic or depressed. (Not that there’s anything wrong with that!) But trying to get help for the really crazy and delusional, well good luck with that.

[mmichaels1970]

Moods can change mercurially and evaluations obviously depend on what the person says. The person could be envisioning mayhem and murder, and yet give a very sweet spiel when questioned.

I agree completely. That's why once admitted for suicidal/homicidal/psychotic episodes, it is normally at least a 5-7 day evaluation period before even thinking about release.

If the sole reason he wasn't admitted was lack of bed space, then it would seem to me there was still some sort of concern that the crisis remained.

I suppose things might just be that screwed up in Virginia.

[HiTech RedNeck]

In a sense there is a moral component to much successful mental health treatment, but it has to be mixed with the willingness to be longsuffering.

I would posit, most mental illnesses are based on believing lies, and sometimes a completely inverted view of reality can develop if the lies are thick and coordinated enough. Lies as we frequently know them are not just nonsense. They are organized against truth.

Everyone believes some lies, but not all lies make a person outwardly mad. In fact having gone outwardly mad can be an ironic advantage. As an analogy, if your car’s engine makes horrible noises you are more likely to get it fixed before it gets even worse, than if it is about to fail quietly.

I’ve gone mad and met those who went mad. I know what happens.

[Intolerant in NJ]

Deeds stabbed father 1 day after he was sent to psych ward but sent away as there was no room...ah yes, the lingering legacy of a previous big government attempt to solve one of the nation's health problems - back in the fifties and sixties Eisenhower and Kennedy got the bright idea that the government was going to provide treatment for the mentally ill in their own communities, away from big, evil psychiatric hospitals which were so dehumanizing and unhealthful - they funded the community mental health center movement with seed money which was supposed to start the construction and operation of such centers which the states were eventually going to take over - you know, sort of like the big push to fund more Medicaid care today under Obamacare, with the states eventually picking up more of the cost - anyhow, after a few years, once many of the old hospitals were closed and patients were back in the community, the feds slowed and finally cut funding for the problem, leaving the states to cover the cost which most of them could scarcely manage - hence, patients sleeping under bridges, transinstitutionalized into prisons rather than hospitals, and even stabbing their fathers to death because there's no room for them at inpatient treatment facilities - thanks big government.....

[mmichaels1970]

In fact having gone outwardly mad can be an ironic advantage.

I agree. One can also be at a disadvantage if it is perceived that he or she "has everything going for them". Someone with wealth, or privilege, or a solid family foundation is not immune to mental illness. But I think sometimes society believes they should be.

[darkangel82]

Not trying to get political here, even though this is a child of a politician. But if you believe enough lies, then eventually you’ll lose it. (Which explains Pelosi I guess)

[HiTech RedNeck]

We are all sadly fallen. Once we embrace that truth then we are in a position to embrace the Lord’s promise of salvation.

Some people (and I was among them) learn so much God damned (I mean it) PRIDE when they are young, for whatever reason, that the Lord might as well be the Man from Mars.

What is God to do to have mercy on such a person? Well it has to be a severe mercy. LET the pride fail by arranging for challenges that it cannot sustain. THEN make the salvation pitch, which then can be accepted. I don’t like hellfire preaching very much, it is often overkill, but sometimes nothing less will work (and it actually only sets the soul up for the actual REAL evangelism, which is a POSITIVE message).