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INS Vikramaditya settles the aircraft carrier debate
Business Standard, India ^ | November 15, 2013 | Ajai Shukla

Posted on 11/15/2013 9:11:51 PM PST by sukhoi-30mki

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1 posted on 11/15/2013 9:11:51 PM PST by sukhoi-30mki
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To: sukhoi-30mki

That flight deck is in nasty condition.


2 posted on 11/15/2013 9:14:42 PM PST by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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Yep, needs a buff an shine.


3 posted on 11/15/2013 9:16:48 PM PST by doc1019 (Inside every older person is a younger person wondering what happened!)
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To: sukhoi-30mki
Other navies have shied from this expensive and technically-challenging option. Australia decommissioned its lone aircraft carrier, HMAS Melbourne, in 1982, and relies on a fleet of lighter warships and submarines.

For the moment, but there is some change away from that.

HMAS Canberra and HMAS Adelaide are both under construction at the moment. At 30,000 tonnes each, they are considerably larger than the carrier HMAS Melbourne was. While they are officially designated as LHD (Landing Helicopter Dock), they are based off the Spanish Juan Carlos I, and retain its capabilities to operate as small aircraft carriers - pending suitable aircraft and crew training etc. Officially there are no plans in that direction - but they didn't get rid of the skijump despite the savings in weight and costs that would have provided.

4 posted on 11/15/2013 9:26:07 PM PST by naturalman1975 ("America was under attack. Australia was immediately there to help." - John Winston Howard)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

That’s not a wooden deck, is it?


5 posted on 11/15/2013 9:30:18 PM PST by PLMerite (Shut the Beyotch Down! Burn, baby, burn!)
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What makes you think otherwise?


6 posted on 11/15/2013 9:33:19 PM PST by doc1019 (Inside every older person is a younger person wondering what happened!)
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ping...
7 posted on 11/15/2013 9:38:31 PM PST by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -vvv- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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non-skid...
8 posted on 11/15/2013 9:39:54 PM PST by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -vvv- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: sukhoi-30mki
The navy countered by pointing out when a target had to be struck from the air at, say, the Gulf of Aden, it would take at least two hours for shore-based fighters to reach.

These Indian aircraft carriers seem like expensive white elephants to me. When would India find it necessary to strike a target in the Gulf of Aden?

And even if it were necessary, unless a carrier just happened to be right on scene shore-based aircraft actually would be faster.

Perhaps someone should remind India how expensively ruinous a naval building program can be.

9 posted on 11/15/2013 10:02:15 PM PST by Leaning Right (Why am I holding this lantern? I am looking for the next Reagan.)
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To: PLMerite

Wooden deck will absorb landing shock better than a steel deck. Much easier on structure of landing jets.


10 posted on 11/15/2013 10:13:10 PM PST by entropy12 (Zero thanks to all who stayed home and helped elect president Zero.)
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To: Leaning Right
These Indian aircraft carriers seem like expensive white elephants to me. When would India find it necessary to strike a target in the Gulf of Aden?

India justifiably has a proprietary view of the Indian Ocean. Not unlike, for example, our own view of the Gulf of Mexico.

Further, there are doubtless scenarios in the Indian War College concerning war with a Middle East caliphate and blocking Chinese incursions past the Malacca Strait.

From a strategic point of view, these scenarios are plausible.

The fact is, India's land borders are reasonably secure (exc. vis-à-vis Pakistan) but, due to her peninsular geography, she is highly exposed from the oceans.

11 posted on 11/15/2013 10:14:24 PM PST by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: Ignorance On Parade)
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To: Leaning Right

Look at it this way...There are millions of graduate engineers in need of jobs in India. Defense industry is a good source of jobs.

The real intent of those carriers is not Aden, it is Karachi.


12 posted on 11/15/2013 10:16:18 PM PST by entropy12 (Zero thanks to all who stayed home and helped elect president Zero.)
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To: USNBandit

It sure is nasty looking.


13 posted on 11/15/2013 10:35:53 PM PST by laplata (Liberals don't get it .... their minds are diseased.)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Are those jets F-18’s?


14 posted on 11/15/2013 10:37:06 PM PST by laplata (Liberals don't get it .... their minds are diseased.)
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MiG 29. Should be K model and KUB (2 seat) model aircraft. I can’t remember if these have the bigger fuel tanks or not. That would be critical at sea.


15 posted on 11/15/2013 10:50:17 PM PST by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: USNBandit

Wheres the non skid?


16 posted on 11/15/2013 10:53:16 PM PST by cva66snipe (Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?)
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To: USNBandit

Thanks.

All the Russian and Chinese aircraft look similar to ours. But they’ve stolen or been given our technology so that figures.


17 posted on 11/15/2013 10:54:29 PM PST by laplata (Liberals don't get it .... their minds are diseased.)
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I can't tell if the brown all over the deck is rust or spilled fuel, oil and hyd fluid.

I did a 4 day notice deployment once where they brought the boat out early from its POM period and they had stripped a large part of the deck. They slapped down a bunch of non-skid and slapped paint on it before anything had dried. That stuff was all coming up by the time we chopped into the Gulf. The ship battled that for the entire deployment. Wasn't their fault, but that deck was slippery. We were lucky to be in calm waters with fair weather most of the time. I hate the feeling of kicking the nose wheel into a turn and having the jet continue straight.

18 posted on 11/15/2013 11:01:12 PM PST by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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“What makes you think otherwise?”

I can’t tell for certain, but it sure looks to be in plank-width and -length sections. I just thought an armored deck was more state-of-the-art these days.


19 posted on 11/15/2013 11:13:15 PM PST by PLMerite (Shut the Beyotch Down! Burn, baby, burn!)
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I can't tell if the brown all over the deck is rust or spilled fuel, oil and hyd fluid.

LOL any of the above ain't good news.

I did a 4 day notice deployment once where they brought the boat out early from its POM period and they had stripped a large part of the deck. They slapped down a bunch of non-skid and slapped paint on it before anything had dried. That stuff was all coming up by the time we chopped into the Gulf. The ship battled that for the entire deployment. Wasn't their fault, but that deck was slippery. We were lucky to be in calm waters with fair weather most of the time. I hate the feeling of kicking the nose wheel into a turn and having the jet continue straight.

I don't think I'll ever forget the sound of the machines taing up non skid.
Huh
I said I don't think I'll ever forget the sound of the machines taking up non skid.
Huh?
I SAID I WILL NEVER FORGET THE SIUND OF... OH wait never mind you were there too LOL. My ears LOL...

I would not have wanted to have been on the deployment you had to do.

20 posted on 11/15/2013 11:28:32 PM PST by cva66snipe (Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?)
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