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Papal Neutrality in the Culture War?
Townhall.com ^ | November 15, 2013 | Pat Buchanan

Posted on 11/15/2013 1:07:43 PM PST by Kaslin

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1 posted on 11/15/2013 1:07:44 PM PST by Kaslin
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Seems to me that satan is in a cultural war with the west and this is stating that the Pope wishes to ignore satan and his war?


2 posted on 11/15/2013 1:13:55 PM PST by LibLieSlayer (FROM MY COLD, DEAD HANDS! BETTER DEAD THAN RED!)
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To: Kaslin
"Pope Francis doesn't want cultural warriors; he doesn't want ideologues," said Bishop Blase Cupich of Spokane, Wash.

Fascinating. What he might be looking for is "studied ambiguity":

To be sure, the contents of the letter to Ryan weren’t just a product of Dolan’s need to appease both sides in the intra-Church struggle. It was also a classic example of a style of ecclesiastical document that the Vatican employs in complicated situations....This style of writing aims at “studied ambiguity,” a Vatican diplomat explained to me, noting that the people who write such letters are trained to think in terms of centuries, not sound bites. “So you always need to be able to say fifty years on, ‘Well, of course we never meant that,’” the diplomat said.
-- from the thread Mixed Blessing: The Ryan budget and the raging battle within the U.S. Catholic Church

3 posted on 11/15/2013 1:18:02 PM PST by Alex Murphy ("the defacto Leader of the FR Calvinist Protestant Brigades")
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To: Kaslin
"Who am I to judge," Pope Francis says of homosexuals.

the coo dee graw to the question is the pope catholic

LOLOLOLOL

5 posted on 11/15/2013 1:21:23 PM PST by bigheadfred
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No, I think you should pronounce the “p” in coup.


6 posted on 11/15/2013 1:23:30 PM PST by steve86 (Some things aren't really true but you wouldn't be half surprised if they were.)
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To: Kaslin

If not me, who? If not now, when? If not here, where? The culture war is very real and can only be won or lost. We are losing now. What will the final outcome be if one of the men with the highest profile and strongest platforms in the world will not participate? What if John Paul II said the same thing about Solidarity in Poland? Ronald Reagan said that about the Berlin Wall?


7 posted on 11/15/2013 1:26:44 PM PST by armydawg505
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To: bigheadfred
What an idiotic post

Posted by a bighead with a pea brain

8 posted on 11/15/2013 1:26:52 PM PST by Kaslin (He needed the ignorant to reelect him, and he got them. Now we all have to pay the consequenses)
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To: LibLieSlayer

Pat’s doing his usual distortion.

This pope has already quietly expelled or silenced a number of heretics, is launching an initiative to restore the teaching of orthodox Catholic doctrine on marriage and family, and has probably done more than his predecessors (while building upon them) in a short few months to restore credibility to the Church than I would have thought possible.

Pat Buchanan is a dog in the manger and always has been.


9 posted on 11/15/2013 1:27:42 PM PST by livius
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To: Kaslin
Even though I am not a Catholic, I have always held the Pope in the highest regard. Until now. This one is a bonehead. He will end up is doing great harm to Christianity IMHO.

Nam Vet

10 posted on 11/15/2013 1:29:42 PM PST by Nam Vet (The Commander-in-ept will solve all problems ... just wait 'til after vacation !)
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To: Kaslin

who are you to judge

LOL


11 posted on 11/15/2013 1:29:44 PM PST by bigheadfred
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To: steve86

by the Grace


12 posted on 11/15/2013 1:30:49 PM PST by bigheadfred
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To: Kaslin
Sounds to me like he was talking specifically to the bishops. It's not the job of the clergy to go out into the world and change it. It's their job to make sure the laity know that they are supposed to take the gospel into their families and workplaces.

That's the problem of judging a man based on one thing he says among many:

It is true that going out on to the street implies the risk of accidents happening, as they would to any ordinary man or woman. But if the church stays wrapped up in itself, it will age. And if I had to choose between a wounded church that goes out on to the streets and a sick, withdrawn church, I would definitely choose the first one. Pope Francis

Politics is a noble activity. We should revalue it, practise it with vocation and a dedication that requires testimony, martyrdom, that is to die for the common good. Pope Francis

Let me tell you what I hope will be the outcome of World Youth Day: I hope there will be noise. … I want you to make yourselves heard in your dioceses, I want the noise to go out, I want the Church to go out onto the streets, I want us to resist everything worldly, everything static, everything comfortable, everything to do with clericalism, everything that might make us closed in on ourselves. Pope Francis

We need a Church unafraid of going forth into their night. We need a Church capable of meeting them on their way. We need a Church capable of entering into their conversation. We need a Church able to dialogue with those disciples who, having left Jerusalem behind, are wandering aimlessly, alone, with their own disappointment, disillusioned by a Christianity now considered barren, fruitless soil, incapable of generating meaning. Pope Francis

Dear young people, please, don’t be observers of life, but get involved. Jesus did not remain an observer, but he immersed himself. Don’t be observers, but immerse yourself in the reality of life, as Jesus did. Pope Francis

Do not be afraid to go and to bring Christ into every area of life, to the fringes of society, even to those who seem farthest away, most indifferent. Pope Francis

13 posted on 11/15/2013 1:31:47 PM PST by fidelis (Zonie and USAF Cold Warrior)
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The only explanation I can come up with is that perhaps the Pope realizes that to change the world, we must first change ourselves. Thus, his focus is on that. Better people mean better societies and governments.

I an hope, right?


14 posted on 11/15/2013 1:33:33 PM PST by Patriotic1 (Dic mihi solum facta, domina - Just the facts, ma'am)
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To: fidelis; Kaslin
It's not the job of the clergy to go out into the world and change it.

and im the idiot

15 posted on 11/15/2013 1:34:05 PM PST by bigheadfred
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To: Kaslin

Pat Buchanan is arrogant.


16 posted on 11/15/2013 1:38:35 PM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: bigheadfred

coup de grâce
noun
the conservative vote in the third district delivered the coup de grâce to his campaign: death blow, finishing blow, kiss of death, final blow; informal KO


17 posted on 11/15/2013 1:40:46 PM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: fidelis

Well done.


18 posted on 11/15/2013 1:41:56 PM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Nam Vet
Do you remember what Jesus said to Mary Magdalene the prostitute?

Think about it

19 posted on 11/15/2013 1:44:08 PM PST by Kaslin (He needed the ignorant to reelect him, and he got them. Now we all have to pay the consequenses)
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To: bigheadfred
It's not the job of the clergy to go out into the world and change it.

and im the idiot

If you don't understand the definition of clericalism and fail to grasp the proper and distinctive roles of clergy and laity, you may well be.

20 posted on 11/15/2013 1:47:35 PM PST by fidelis (Zonie and USAF Cold Warrior)
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