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To: PapaNew

In the end taking out the “trash” is a good first step towards a more civil society.

Swift and certain punishment for those evil-doers, affirms that justice for the victims is dispensed. To me there is a difference between a crime of passion and one where the perpetrator understands the heinous nature of what they have done and actively works to conceal their culpability to escape justice.

It would be nice if we had a perfect system where those who have chosen to defy morality could be sent to live out their days in isolation. But we are constrained by the bleeding heart types who think that there is the possibility of rehabilitation for these offenders. That life in the prison system is too harsh, that they must be provided with three hots (and culturally appropriate to boot) and a cot, cable tv, physical activity with no other purpose than the building of an even larger criminal, libraries and higher education.

None of which is afforded the victims of these crimes that landed such individual in the custody of their fellow citizens.

If we are not to execute them, then how should they make amends for their acts. What un-cruel and non-unusual punishment should be meted out to them to atone for their crimes to those whom they have trespassed against.

The penal system is broken because we cannot punish those trespassers in a manner consistent with the severity of the act and therein lies the problem.

There is no manner to hold a judge accountable of being wrong. What are you going to do with such a judge, have another judge sit in judgement who in his mind could be next on the opposite side of the bench?

Executions removes this possibility for those who are demonstrably guilty and there is no ambiguity of their guilt.

We will have to agree to disagree, and that is fine. I will continue to advocate executions and can hope that I will be able to persuade more to my side that you will be able to persuade to yours.


38 posted on 11/18/2013 4:20:16 PM PST by Ouderkirk (To the left, everything must evidence that this or that strand of leftist theory is true)
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To: Ouderkirk

The actual true gospel Christian way is to eliminate trash by turning it into treasure.


39 posted on 11/18/2013 4:23:51 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (The Lion of Judah will roar again if you give him a big hug and a cheer and mean it. See my page.)
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To: Ouderkirk
In the end taking out the “trash” is a good first step towards a more civil society.

The value of every person is measured by God’s standard of his own Son, Jesus Christ, more valuable than anything in the universe. The one you call “trash” is the very one Jesus died for, no matter how depraved. Calling one “trash” who God values higher than anything else in the universe is itself not only a perversion but moves society AWAY from civility and towards baseness and a culture of death.

If we are not to execute them, then how should they make amends for their acts.

Back to punishment as justification for the death penalty. Been over that. Jesus has already taken his punishment making the death penalty double jeopardy and, therefore, patently unjust and unrighteous.

The penal system is broken because we cannot punish those trespassers in a manner consistent with the severity of the act and therein lies the problem.

Again, Jesus has already done that. Trying to do so now is trying to do the wrong thing. There’s no right way to do the wrong thing.

There is no manner to hold a judge accountable of being wrong. What are you going to do with such a judge, have another judge sit in judgment who in his mind could be next on the opposite side of the bench?

Nothing is perfect but passing laws and holding politicians and judges accountable for their actions would go a long way towards better outcomes.

Executions removes this possibility for those who are demonstrably guilty and there is no ambiguity of their guilt.

Aside from what else is wrong with the death penalty, rarely is there “no ambiguity of their guilt.” That’s another can of worms.

Again, the death penalty is unjust, does more harm than good, and does not create nor has it created a safer society.

40 posted on 11/20/2013 11:02:27 AM PST by PapaNew
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