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To: the scotsman
I agree.

however, generations after the joining of the crowns had to put up with English influence. I have stood on the battlefield at Culloden, and felt the helpessness of the Jacobite army armed with claymores against the Duke of Northumberland's army armed with cannon.

I ran into Scots in Inverness who still held a grudge all these years after the Clearances.

The owner of our B&B in Inverness asked me to spit on the doorstep at Dunrobin Castle for her to show her feelings toward her Southern neighbors. I had not done my homework, but she graciously told me storiesof what her family endured under the English.

Wm Wallace was not wrong fighting for freedom 500 years earlier.

Have a great evening.

18 posted on 11/08/2013 5:15:03 PM PST by North Coast Conservative (God created man, Sam Colt made them equal)
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To: North Coast Conservative

1—The Scots put up with nothing. In fact, in the century after the union, it was the Scots who started to run the Empire, expand it, and it was the Scottish Enlightnment that drove Britain forward.

Sorry, but the idea that Scotland has suffered because of the union is nonsense. Quite the opposite, Scotland thrived under it and the Empire, and we are better off in it than we would have been out of it. To blame the English for our ills post 1707 is bad history, romantic tosh.

2—Culloden?. You mean the famous battle where more Scots fought AGAINST the Jacobites than for them?. Where most of Scotland, inc half the Highlands, and both sides of my family, OPPOSED the Jacobites?.

The Jacobites weren’t and aren’t patriots like Wallace or Bruce, they were set on restoring a Catholic monarchy, one which most of Scotland opposed. Also they wished to restore a line of the Stuarts that had left nothing but civil war in the 17th C behind it. To the point of a civil war which killed over a million British and Irish, and made Britain a republic 127 years before the US.

3—The Clearances are a black mark, BUT again, here we have bad history. As it was Scottish lairds and landowners who drove their own people off the land, not the big bad English.

AND nobody remembers the LOWLAND clearances!. The victim is always the Highlander. Lowlanders and Borderers suffered, but we don’t count. The perennial Highland whinge gets annoying.

4—Your b&b lady is the kind of narrowminded Scot that makes me cringe, with their rather sad bigotry towards the English. Thankfully the younger Scots are rejecting that kind of anti-English mindset.

5—No, he wasn’t.

6—Same to you.


20 posted on 11/10/2013 11:46:56 AM PST by the scotsman (i)
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