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Conservative Parents, Left-Wing Children
Townhall.com ^ | November 5, 2013 | Dennis Prager

Posted on 11/05/2013 6:08:47 AM PST by Kaslin

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To: Carry_Okie
Horse pucky. They don't understand the mechanics of their values well enough to explain how liberty works in contrast to collectivism.

^^^^ THIS ^^^^

If you can't explain conservatism it's pretty hard to teach it to your kids. I have two beautiful daughters, one in college and one still in high school. They are both conservative because we have presented conservatism in a logical manner. It's really that simple. It's not about religion, it's about logic. If you are a liberal, it's because you either aren't okaying attention, or you are an illogical person. If you are illogical, you are not intelligent.

61 posted on 11/05/2013 7:43:55 AM PST by BlueMondaySkipper (Involuntarily subsidizing the parasite class since 1981)
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To: BlueMondaySkipper
If you can't explain conservatism it's pretty hard to teach it to your kids.

This is the problem for 80% of conservative politicians today. They don't understand enough about the economy and communications to lay it out in simple terms.

62 posted on 11/05/2013 7:49:39 AM PST by Carry_Okie (Grovelnator Schwarzenkaiser: fasionable fascism one charade at a time.)
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To: BlueMondaySkipper
You may find this interesting as a systemic antithesis.
63 posted on 11/05/2013 7:53:34 AM PST by Carry_Okie (Grovelnator Schwarzenkaiser: fasionable fascism one charade at a time.)
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To: Kaslin

The problem the author has is that it begins long before their kids enter college. The public schools and mass media begin the indoctrination when children are still preteens


64 posted on 11/05/2013 7:54:45 AM PST by Behind Liberal Lines
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To: ElkGroveDan; Martin Tell; fullchroma; Kaslin
5 kids in private school where I live would be 125,000 per year just for tuition

I tried it...there were not much better frankly..and some worse ..yes...more liberal

here in Nashville..

University School and Ensworth are both as liberal or more so than public schools

I'm not paying that to unteach

and it's the culture too

Progressivism...especially against the white race and Christians and of course southerners is all encompassing

like no time in my life

Culturally we were a much more socially conservative and homogeneous nation in my youth..60s and 70s

it's done

likely never settled politically unfortunately

we are in essence held hostage in our land by interlopers and the aggrieved

and libs will permeate school boards even in conservative areas..like where I live..it's what they do...they don't really work...where I live most are pampered but agitated housewives

65 posted on 11/05/2013 7:56:08 AM PST by wardaddy (i loved White Queen)
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To: Little Ray

I assume that is Big Ray to you.


66 posted on 11/05/2013 7:56:39 AM PST by wardaddy (i loved White Queen)
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To: BlueMondaySkipper

Ok. Happy to read your post. You are a roll model for our family. I think we are on the same track as you are, but with a high schooler and a middle schooler. We think things through and talk things over with our kids, using reason. They are serious about being conservative and have identified the teachers and friends who are on their wavelength. And they stick up for their views, more and more. My son, in particular, can spot the “sheeple” and the sheepherders.


67 posted on 11/05/2013 7:57:57 AM PST by married21 ( As for me and my house, we will serve the Lord.)
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To: Kaslin
It is sad when a parent who believes that America has always been, in Lincoln's famous words, "the last best hope of earth," has a child who believes that America has always been little more than an imperialist, racist and xenophobic nation.

Even more sad and pathetic and destructive than that is the notion people have in assuming the world has always been as free as it is in this modern age. The freedom and the progress the world as a whole has made is solely because of the success of the United States of America. We led the way. While we have slowly committed suicide over the past 100 years, the effects of that didn't chip away enough to collapse it completely. But it did weaken it. Once we are completely destroyed and overrun to the point of no return by socialism, communism, totalitarianism or what ever it becomes, the rest of the world will in turn revert to serfdom because they were never as strong as we were in the first place. Freedom is not the natural state of man. The yearning to be free is the natural state. But yearning and achieving are two different things, because despotism and the drive to conquer is another natural state of man.

68 posted on 11/05/2013 8:02:15 AM PST by FrdmLvr ("WE ARE ALL OSAMA, 0BAMA!" al-Qaeda terrorists who breached the American compound in Benghazi)
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To: Kaslin
At the group level, the development of individualist vs. collectivist values is strongly correlated with population density. As cities build up rather than out, sharing buildings/parks/transportation increases as well as the need for laws, rules, restrictions, and a more powerful government. What decreases is individual ownership, control, and freedom.

As farm automation increases, there are fewer human jobs in the countryside, so young people are forced into the high population density city collectives. However internet enabled schooling, socializing, dating, shopping, employment, and self-driving transportation, will push people back out of the cities. Nuclear war, terrorism, plagues, and deadly viruses are mostly city problems. Maximum wealth, health, and happiness occur somewhere in the suburbs, although the exact optimum population density varies by changing factors such as the population's average age and the development of new technologies.

An interesting difference is collectivists want to force everyone to join them. Misery loves company. Individualists want to keep the crowd out of their life.

69 posted on 11/05/2013 8:05:15 AM PST by Reeses
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To: BlueMondaySkipper

My kids hated public school, and I think it is one reason my kids are conservative.

My kids hated how the public school did all sorts of things for the underaceivers. There were all sorts of awards for kst improved (gehavior, grades, tet scores), but there were never awards for kids who were smart and well-behaved.

I remember my son had to write a paper takng a side on whether or not everyone should go to college. My son said no because some kids were lazy and didn’t work hard enough.

Then the public school treated my special needs daughter poorly. They would make her miss recess because she wasn’t finished writing or coloring something. They did not take the time or effort to understand what she needed, even though we provided the test scores and data to show what was going on with her.

My kids think public school is a disaster, they hate going to the department of motor vehicles, and they can’t belueve how much we spend in taxes.


70 posted on 11/05/2013 8:16:00 AM PST by luckystarmom
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To: Vigilanteman

Perhaps this is a Virginia-born bias, but I wouldn’t exactly call the College of William & Mary a non-name college.


71 posted on 11/05/2013 8:20:33 AM PST by drjimmy
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To: darkangel82

“Lucky you....my first vote was for GWB, for all the good that did.”

It did a lot of good. Just imagine if Al Gore had been President for those 8 years.


72 posted on 11/05/2013 8:25:30 AM PST by ifinnegan
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To: Kaslin
I was liberal until I went to college and found out what being liberal really is.

IMO, it's OK for conservative parents to have liberal children.

Where things go wrong is if the children weren't raised well enough to turn into grownups. :-)

73 posted on 11/05/2013 8:25:39 AM PST by wbill
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To: drjimmy
William & Mary was definitely the Ivy League equivalent back in the day. But who is the most famous alumni who comes to mind lately? Eric Cantor in the House? Mike Tomlin, head coach of the last place but once great Pittsburgh Steelers?

Granted, either would be a far, far better president than BO. So would your random gas station attendant for that matter.

But they aren't even in the same league as a Ronald Reagan or a Ted Cruz.

74 posted on 11/05/2013 8:36:41 AM PST by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: wardaddy

Yep. There was Little Ray (me), Big Ray (dad) and Papa (Grandfather Ray...).


75 posted on 11/05/2013 8:38:21 AM PST by Little Ray (How did I end up in this hand-basket, and why is it getting so hot?)
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To: yldstrk

My parents were more liberal than me when I was growing up. Now they are conservatives too. My kids are very conservative. We have achieved conservative zen for 3 generations.


76 posted on 11/05/2013 8:45:02 AM PST by 3Fingas (Sons and Daughters for Freedom and Rededicaton to the Principles of the U.S. Constitution...)
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To: wintertime

You’ve nailed it.

The indoctrination process starts them young, by the time you send ‘childrens’ to colleges it is already too late.


77 posted on 11/05/2013 8:47:21 AM PST by Sir Napsalot (Pravda + Useful Idiots = CCCP; JournOList + Useful Idiots = DopeyChangey!)
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To: Vigilanteman
William & Mary was definitely the Ivy League equivalent back in the day. But who is the most famous alumni who comes to mind lately? Eric Cantor in the House? Mike Tomlin, head coach of the last place but once great Pittsburgh Steelers?

Hey now, you left out Jon Stewart!
78 posted on 11/05/2013 8:50:22 AM PST by drjimmy
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To: Kaslin

The social and psychological dynamics at play here need to be seriously studied by conservatives. How is that we were “blindsided”? Are liberals more intelligent than us? How is it that we didn’t see this coming and take countermeasures? What IS low intensity cultural conflict and why are its components not a functioning part of conservative understanding? Why were Marxist theoreticians such as Antonio Gramsci not properly analyzed or taken seriously? Who are the theoreticians of today who should be taken seriously? What elements of modern life with instant access to data across all social boundaries are at play today and how can they be countered, deflected or attenuated?

We need to be able to answer such questions as: Why was rock and roll music of the 50’s so much more powerful than 50’s pop music (Chuck Berry vs. Johnny Ray or Jerry Lee Lewis vs. Theresa Brewer for example) as a cultural container? Why are conservative (or parental) values repudiated by modern youth but not in pre WWII eras? Are liberal values better able to reflect the appetites of a life free from the conflicts of scarcity?

Kidz, we get smarter faster or it’s game over.


79 posted on 11/05/2013 9:20:05 AM PST by Yollopoliuhqui
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To: wintertime

Your ideological straight jacket is blinding you to the fact that the separations between youth culture and parental cultural began two generations before the NEA got their hands on our kids. It began in the post WWII era, rooted in the thousands of mothers raising their “war babies” without a father and the forced migrations of finding war work or the nomadism of shuttling from duty station to duty station stateside. The separation of youth culture from parental culture was initially only an American phenomenon, the rest of the world learned it from us. Why?


Here are some facts:

1) Children in secular schools **will** learn to think and reason godlessly. They must just to cooperate in the classroom.

2) If they attend government schools they risk learning to be comfortable with the single payer and tuition-free entitlement that is the very foundation of government schooling. Hey! If the government can give the citizen tuition-free schooling, why not use that power to get lots of “free” stuff?

3) Nearly all the K-12 teachers in this nation ( both public and private schools) were trained by godless Marxists in Marxist run colleges and universities. The indoctrination continues into the highest levels of university graduate school!

4) Drive by nearly any of those Marxist run K-12 schools, colleges, or universities in this nation, and you will see schools stuffed full to the brim ( **willingly**) with the children of conservatives and God fearing so-called “patriots”.

5) The children are being indoctrinated by Marxists to hate their nation and heritage. The boys, especially, are being humiliated and drugged into submission. The Marxists are hard at work producing girly Peter Pans who are incapable of defending themselves, their families ( if they can figure out how to form one!), and our nation. The indoctrination of our youth is already having consequences in the voting booth, culture, and birth rate. It will only get worse.


80 posted on 11/05/2013 9:28:23 AM PST by Yollopoliuhqui
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