"Let us with caution indulge the supposition that morality can be maintained without religion. Reason and experience both forbid us to expect that national morality can prevail in exclusion of religious principle. "
~George Washington
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405 posted on 11/05/2013 8:16:46 AM PST by trisham
(Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)