[IncPen]

Let the chips fall where they may. I hope Snowden testifies. NSA mass data collection on Americans is beyond the pale.

Snowden is an Obama tool.

When they get done with the military, the CIA, the NSA, religion, education, science, government... there won' be anything left to believe in.

The they can build their Utopia.

[Olog-hai]

That isn’t how it works. Societies like that cannot survive, especially if they provoke God.

[cynwoody]

When they get done with the military, the CIA, the NSA, religion, education, science, government... there won' be anything left to believe in.

Anybody who believes in the official versions of the above is a tool.

We have to smash the hallowed institutions and build our own Utopia from there. It will require preternatural gifts of persuasion. We'll need many such in 2014 and 2016!