Posted on 11/01/2013 10:03:51 PM PDT by nickcarraway
Orson Scott Card, the outspokenly homophobic author of the book Ender's Game, won't get any of the box office money from the movie that opens tomorrow. So is there still cause for boycott?
Though there has been a call to boycott the film over Card's support of anti-gay causes, Josh Dickey of The Wrap reported yesterday evening that Card will not benefit—at least not directly—from the film's success. Sources "both inside and outside the companies that produced the" movie confirmed to Dickey that Card gets no back-end on the movie, and has already been paid the money he will get from the adaptation through a "decade-old deal." Card's deal for the movie, which lingered in development for many years, was done long ago, and Dickey explained that, by the time the iteration of the project that finally made it to the screen got underway, "Card’s involvement, both creative and financial, had dissolved to virtually nil."
Card has a producing credit, but he wasn't involved in the film creatively, Dickey reports. That goes in contrast to authors like J.K. Rowling and Suzanne Collins, who made deals that gave them a say in the filmmakers' decisions and kept the money flowing. (For what it's worth, director Gavin Hood told us in an interview earlier this month that he did have to meet with Card, "because he had approval rights on the director and they were hiring me as a writer director.") Of course, the success of a film will likely drive book sales, with some of those going to Card.
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It’s not that complicated. I think you know where gay activists are coming from. In 2010, Chik-Fil-A stopped donating to groups that were against gay marriage and other things that gay groups disapprove of. For all practical purposes, they are pro-gay agenda.
Well actually... yes. Now I see what you were getting at.
But even yet the Christian spiritual understanding is the one that explains the ugliness of it better than any other understanding available to mankind. The act of buggery has been folded in, as something that Satan’s illusion urges. That’s a hateful act, as if anyone needed to be told. It’s a kind of sadomasochism. Other forms of sadomasochism often go with this, again folding hatefulness into the inside-out pretzel that Satan has made of the involved individuals’ love capacity.
Now it turns out we CAN explain what sadomasochism is the distortion of, through Christianity. It turns out to be the abuse of a very beautiful thing, the willingness to suffer for the sake of bringing forth the blessing of God into the world, a suffering which the New Testament itself describes as being able to be endured with joy. The cross of Christ was itself the prototype of this. “Who for the joy set before Him endured the cross, scorning its shame....”
I am dead serious here. The gospel deftly unscrambles the puzzle of homosexuality. But it has to be a gutsy gospel. No polite church Christianity, this.
Very nice.
It’s intellectual suicide to reason with Faith understanding that neither Faith nor reason are trivial states of mind, and knowing that Faith does not constrain reason (i.e., relativity, abstract theory, etc,) and given your term “gospel” underlies Faith.
I still don’t know from this whether Mr. Cathy did something that was fundamentally anti-gospel, or simply artfully rearranged his visible actions.
The company charities are one thing, a private charity another one. Chik-Fil-A is not a church.
Remember the goal isn’t to “squash gays.” It’s to bring blessing into the world, which will squash Satan. I’d sooner see him giving to ex-gay groups, frankly, than to “anti gay marriage” groups, given the same resources. Because the latter does not address the root of the problem. It is like going to a fire and putting out the smoke.
Well I am talking about a Christian faith. Not sure what else you mean. Faith is sometimes viewed as something that is blind, rather than a way we deal with a reality that we have a limited view of.
And sure you can combine the exercise of reason with the exercise of faith.
In fact it’s crucial to do this if you are going to get anywhere with the gospel beyond “Jesus loves me.” Well, how does Jesus love you? What does the Father want? What does blessing consist of, in the context of the reality we know?
What faith IS the “suicide” of, it turns out, is the idolatry of reason as though it could carry on without definite material to reason about. That’s like idolizing bookkeeping while not believing in money.
Interesting perspective regarding evil, Satan. I don’t hold the canonical image of Hell, but I certainly dread the absence of Christ.
>> I am dead serious here.
No doubt. And I say that in the biblical sense.
>> Well I am talking about a Christian faith
Yes, Faith.
>> And sure you can combine the exercise of reason with the exercise of faith.
Reason is definitively subordinate to Faith.
Look Nick, for all I know there could be a problem, but the devil (and the angels) are so often in the details when you have something that’s actually Christian and not just a show of half baked worldly causes.
I think you know by now that I am not shallow. Please do not “insult my intelligence” (actually, the intelligence that God gave both me and you) by sweeping conclusions that are ill supported. Disgust does not replace reason... yep as I said to Gene Eric, reason works alongside faith.
>> What faith IS the “suicide” of, it turns out, is the idolatry
I was thinking futility, but not in the sense of supremacy to the Faithful mind. Earlier, I mentioned different states of mind, but not necessarily conflicting.
Well, it’s genuine as far as I am concerned.
I’ve certainly had the devil dance in my own life, because I had been asking him to do so. It does trace back to the fall, something which the bible documents as willingly participated in by the souls of humanity, though scarce in particulars.
It is excellent to regard the absence of Christ as intolerable because He really is our spiritual source, our supply of all, and the One to whom we yield. The Alpha and the Omega.
Hell, through a combination of experience, scripture, and reason, can be seen to be a very weird place. The human souls there are slaves of Satan, who in turn is tortured in the hell. Not pleasant, but quintessentially captivating; the occupants would refuse God and thus would never enjoy heaven.
Blessings are the positive thing, curses the negative. Hell is a place where blessings are cut off, though not the blessing of bare existence. That seems to be a corollary from God being love. If God really hated hell to the utmost, He would wipe it out of existence, not torment it by granting it to have its wicked way to itself.
>> If God really hated hell to the utmost, He would wipe it out of existence
We’re all familiar with the expression “it’s a cruel world”...
Perhaps existence itself is Hell. Submit that to the all-knowing atheist.
That is true enough. You have to believe in something before you can reason about that something.
In my own spiritual climb back to the classical biblical dimensions of gospel, which has transcended a lot of traditional Christian boundaries, reason has played a great part. This is true, and this other thing is true, therefore that is true. And God said “Come let us reason together.” God provided for forgiveness of sin and it is spectacularly unwise to not accept it!
Well I don’t think so. This mortal coil is a battle zone between hell and heaven. We see the hand of some of each in it.
Hell is wickedness (embodied in demonic spirit) having its way. Wickedness refuses the blessings of God. Most of us get God backwards, taking blessings for granted and regarding curses as the things we do well to pay attention to. It’s the opposite!! And if I could tell the world one very important thing about God, it would be that.
>> God provided for forgiveness of sin and it is spectacularly unwise to not accept it!
If the Kingdom of God is within us, than it’s a matter of resisting, not accepting.
>> In my own spiritual climb back to the classical biblical dimensions of gospel,
I haven’t had an easy life, but it certainly hasn’t been spiritually vacant. I’ve been blessed from inception while given the most mind-numbing challenges. I’m not necessarily the best Christian, but I’m fortunate for the hand of God that is continuously smacking me in the back of head.
Here’s how I’d see it, and we may actually be agreeing but talking in different terms.
Foolishness says no to God. God will begin to flow in when we stop saying no, and yet that in turn gives us the power to positively embrace God, i.e. assert a yes to God.
I don’t even get into Calvinistic (or Arminian) arguments any more. They are not useful. I go straight to the biblical promises.
>> It’s the opposite!!
I see that as a trivialization. Why empower the ungodly with the magnitude of God?
>> we may actually be agreeing but talking in different terms.
I think so.
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