Common Core: People vs. Big Government, Big Business, and Billionaires

The New American ^ | 01 November 2013 | Alex Newman

[VitacoreVision]

It is becoming increasingly obvious that Common Core controversy is a fight largely between concerned citizens and parents on one side, with Big Business, Big Government, and a cadre of establishment billionaires like Bill Gates on the other.

Common Core: People vs. Big Government, Big Business, and Billionaires


The New American
01 November 2013

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[mojo114]

thanks used your links to send to others who need to know.

[fso301]

In principal, CC is a good thing but in practice, my understanding is it widens the gap between students good students and not so good students. The gap widening is not so much due to pushing the good students farther ahead as it is wiping out the not so good students.

[familyop]

Well, some people are beginning to figure it out. Same with feminist laws and policies (divorce/cohabitation paradigm), environmentalism and local regulations against building, new, small manufacturing businesses, “free trade,” and so forth. There are many prongs in the efforts to stop new, domestic competition from whole families and decrease the population of the rabble.

[Scrambler Bob]

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[SunkenCiv]

Thanks VitacoreVision.

It is becoming increasingly obvious that Common Core controversy is a fight largely between concerned citizens and parents on one side, with Big Business, Big Government, and a cadre of establishment billionaires like Bill Gates on the other.

[Jim from C-Town]

All I know is that my local parochial school is using the common core math as MANDATED by Obama through the Ed Department and I do not even understand the questions in some of my 1st grade sons math homework. I learned math at the same school forty + years ago so well that I tested out of two years of Math in one of the best prep schools in the state and was doing college level math.

There have been so many complaints that the teachers have sent more than one letter home and they have only had school for two months.

Remember, this is 1st grade math in an expensive Catholic School where a vast majority of the parents are professional college educated high earners. We can’t even figure out what they are asking for!

Like everything else Obama related it is a train wreck!

[fso301]

Remember, this is 1st grade math in an expensive Catholic School where a vast majority of the parents are professional college educated high earners. We can’t even figure out what they are asking for!

That the parents are educated and affluent doesn't mean they spend much time trying to be good parents. I know there are good kids from good homes attending private schools but I've seen a lot of rotten kids in private schools.

As it pertains to CC, having curricula standards is a good thing. When kids repeatedly do poorly on the tests yet they continually get passing grades by their teachers, you know which teachers are just going through motions and moving kids along through the system.

[Jim from C-Town]

Yeah, not the case for this area as this is a school that has very high testing. It is a stand out for standardized tests and regularly places in the top ten percent.

The common core standards may be a good idea, but the methods are stupid. The math is particularly strange and seemingly unnecessarily so. They are the product of more over educated educators who are too stupid to teach and that is saying a lot.

The problem stems from the lack of discipline and the denial of the fact that not everyone learns in the same manner and some children, believe it, are stupid. Where do you think Democrat voters come from.

[fso301]

The common core standards may be a good idea, but the methods are stupid. The math is particularly strange and seemingly unnecessarily so.

What level math? My children are beyond elementary school but visual models are now being used quite a bit at the elementary level to help explain mathematical concepts.

[Monorprise]

Its a scheme to centralized control of education.

This would be catastrophic not only for a Federation as large and diverse as the USA. (One size does not and can never fit all)

But most specifically for Constitutional democracy which depends upon having a significant population of people with a diversity of knowledge and experience to operate.

Just think about it, how can you debate or analyze any matter in politics if most everyone is only given the same set of politician defined doctrine?

[fso301]

Just think about it, how can you debate or analyze any matter in politics if most everyone is only given the same set of politician defined doctrine?

I don't disagree but math is math and science is pretty much science.

I believe there is validity in having an apples-apples comparison of math and science proficiency across states.

Knowing high school algebra should mean substantially the same thing across the nation. At the K-12 level, the meaning of photosynthesis, titration and metamorphosis should be substantially similar across the nation.

I would not support CC beyond math and science. The English language is too dynamic for the one size fits all approach of CC.

[VitacoreVision]

Thanks for getting the word out.

[Monorprise]

“I don’t disagree but math is math and science is pretty much science.

I believe there is validity in having an apples-apples comparison of math and science proficiency across states.”

I’m afraid I’m going to have to disagree again, ‘Science’ is not Science. Science is defined as a methodology a method toward discerning knowledge. That however is not what we were taught in schools as ‘science’, nor is it exactly what theses books CC proposes defines. In school they call predetermined theory’s like Man driven global warming, and Evolution science.

If they do anything at all to support theses assertions they do so with cherry picked ‘facts’ some of which aren’t even true much less the whole story. They haven’t concerned knowledge they have ignored the methodology and defined the results. So no, it is quite Obvious that ‘Science’ is not science. As least as far as our Government run ‘education system’ has been concerned.

As to the subject of math it seems allowing the folks in Washington to have anything to do with teaching our children Math is tantamount to having the devil teach man about God. Washington has been debt free for one time in the entire History of our ‘federal republic’ and that was almost 200 years ago in the time of Andrew Jackson. Yet anther fact most of my poorly educated countrymen know nothing of. Even then as now, their deliberate accounting methods were fraudulent. Depended entirely upon the selling of a finite asset(land) to resolve the debt, and only did it work for a short time.

No Washington has as much understanding of mathematics as a house cat and even less inclination to share it with anyone honestly.

[fso301]

I’m afraid I’m going to have to disagree again, ‘Science’ is not Science. Science is defined as a methodology a method toward discerning knowledge. That however is not what we were taught in schools as ‘science’, nor is it exactly what theses books CC proposes defines. In school they call predetermined theory’s like Man driven global warming, and Evolution science.

I don't disagree but my point was that I wouldn't want CC beyond math and science. Science should be science but as you pointed out, it can contain a portion of junk science. However, I don't know of any school district that doesn't presently use science textbooks that contain some portion of junk science.