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Take This State And Shove It: The New Secession Movement
http://www.npr.org/blogs/itsallpolitics/2013/10/24/240497465/take-this-state-and-shove-it-the-new-secession-movement ^ | 10-28-13 | Alan Greenblatt

Posted on 10/28/2013 6:43:17 PM PDT by RKBA Democrat

There's a big race right now to become the 51st state.

Forget traditional contenders like Puerto Rico. In several existing states, residents of less populous areas are hoping to create new states of their own.

Citizens in 11 northeastern Colorado counties are among them. They'll vote on Nov. 5 whether to break off and form their own state. Many are unhappy about liberal state legislation they believe reflects the values of the Denver-Boulder corridor, but not their part of the world.

"We're rarely listened to when it comes to legislation," says Butch White, the mayor of Ault. "I'm sure the vote will pass in Weld County quite easily."

The Colorado counties aren't alone. There's been occasional talk of secession at various times in recent decades, but now the idea is showing signs of taking root across the map.

There is talk about and sometimes movement toward secession in several states. These are locally motivated startups, but they share some themes in common.

People in mostly conservative areas feel isolated living in states controlled by Democrats. Rural residents, in particular, believe their values are given no respect in capitols now completely dominated by urban and suburban interests.

Secession may be part of the same impulse that leads states to sue or otherwise try to block or nullify federal laws they don't like. People are losing respect for institutions that don't reflect their preferences and would prefer, to the extent possible, to extricate themselves from them.

"What we would like to do is gain representation for the northern people of the state," says Mark Baird, spokesman for a committee seeking to split off part of California. "The only way to do that is to have our own state."

Can't Get No Satisfaction

Among those yearning to break free from their states are people living in largely red counties in blue states who are displeased by new laws addressing such matters as gun control, environmental protection and gun control.

"You have issues that go way beyond gun rights," says Anthony Navarro, owner of Colorado Shooting Sports, a gun shop in Greeley. "You have people in Boulder and Denver who have and are dictating to the rest of the state."

There are some Democrats who have launched trial balloons about splitting off parts of Florida and Arizona, but those ideas haven't caught on.

Secession-minded residents in rural areas complain their voices aren't being heard in distant capitals. Some would like to create new governments from scratch rather than staying forever trapped within a larger state that doesn't reflect their preferences.

"There's no one solution that's going to be perfect, but the fact is we can minimize differences and allow people more choice about how they're governed," says Scott Strzelczyk, head of an initiative seeking to create a new state in western Maryland.

"It's like the Baskin-Robbins of states," he says. "You can actually live in a political society that governs the way you want to be governed. The more choice the better."

Rural Decline

Figures released this summer by the Census Bureau that the country's rural population, for the first time, is in decline. Rural areas now account for about 15 percent of the nation's population.

Even in farm states, rural areas within state legislatures in the last round of redistricting, exacerbating a long-standing trend.

"Greater Los Angeles has something like 34 representatives" in the California Assembly, says Baird, the spokesman for the Jefferson Declaration Committee. "The northern third of California has three."

A similar sense of frustration led to last year on the Upper Peninsula of Michigan, although it appears that effort is gaining no traction.

"We have one-third of the land mass and 3 percent of the population, so it's easy to feel neglected," says Steve Pence, a county commissioner in Marquette, Mich. "It's grounded in the legitimate feeling that if you're marginalized by geography, it's easy to feel neglected by the central government."

Odds Are Against

People in Northern California and southern Oregon have been talking about creating a state of Jefferson for a long time. They went so far as to in 1941 — three days before Pearl Harbor, which brought that particular effort to an end.

In 1965, the state Senate voted to divide the state. That didn't happen, though.

So far, only two counties have approved the latest calls to create a new state, although as many as a dozen more may soon join in.

But no state has been calved from within the borders of an existing state since West Virginia split off from Virginia in 1863.

Secession simply isn't going to happen, says Daniel Farber, a law professor at the University of California, Berkeley, who has the issue. Creation of a new state would require the blessing of the state being spurned, as well as congressional approval.

It's a Catch-22: People who want to secede because they lost influence don't have the influence to make it happen.

"You'd have to persuade the U.S. Senate to add two more senators, but why would they do that, since that would dilute their own state's influence and might well add votes to the opposing party?" Farber says.

The legal and institutional hurdles are high enough that no existing state is likely to be broken up in our lifetimes. But the urge is clearly there.

In this polarized era, lots of states that don't like the direction the federal government is taking have challenged numerous laws in court.

Is it any surprise that people within states show similar dissatisfaction?

"The politics of states have become increasingly polarized," says Tim Conlan, a public policy professor at George Mason University. "Talk of secession from Colorado or Maryland, that's partly related to the same thing. The same demographic polarization is going on within many states."


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1 posted on 10/28/2013 6:43:17 PM PDT by RKBA Democrat
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To: noprogs; ColdOne; KC_Lion; boxlunch; Jack Black; Nowhere Man; Kevmo; Nea Wood; ...
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Stories and commentary both for and against secession.

To be added or taken off this list, please send a FR mail to RKBA Democrat. DISCLOSURE: I'm ANTI-secession in the case of states seceding from the union, but I'll attempt to administer the ping and prayer list fairly for seceshers, ejectors, and anti-seceshers of Good Will. Search the keyword "secessionlist" to see previous articles and pings.

2 posted on 10/28/2013 6:44:42 PM PDT by RKBA Democrat (The Last Election, November 5th 2013)
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To: RKBA Democrat

They could join Wyoming.


3 posted on 10/28/2013 6:46:36 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: RKBA Democrat
If we had true federalism in this country, none of this secession talk would be happening. Maybe except for CA, which is way too big and should be broken up into at least 3 states.

Democrats want everyone to suffer nationwide, they don't like the idea of states competing among each other for residents and businesses.

4 posted on 10/28/2013 6:48:12 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist (Governor Sarah Heath Palin for President of the United States in 2016)
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To: RKBA Democrat
Citizens in 11 northeastern Colorado counties are among them. They'll vote on Nov. 5 whether to break off and form their own state. Many are unhappy about liberal state legislation they believe reflects the values of the Denver-Boulder corridor, but not their part of the world.

So why not describe the separation in the reverse terms? We, as the legitimate residents of Colorado, are expelling you all. Be on notice to get a new name.

5 posted on 10/28/2013 6:48:36 PM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: RKBA Democrat

Wisconsin needs to cede South of I94 (Madison and Mikwaukee, et.al.) to Illinois while picking up Michigan’s Upper Peninsula and perhaps parts of Minnesota north of MSP.


6 posted on 10/28/2013 6:48:59 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: RKBA Democrat
People are losing respect for institutions that don't reflect their preferences and would prefer, to the extent possible, to extricate themselves from them.

And for a lot of them, it's not just the consequences of having lost a political battle, or an election, but the sense that their loss was fraudulent, and/or that the PTB's are infringing on the rights of those who disagree, even when the dissenters are in the majority (witness the ramming through of Osamacare).

7 posted on 10/28/2013 6:51:36 PM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: Paladin2

“They could join Wyoming.”

Frankly I think that’s smarter and easier.


8 posted on 10/28/2013 6:52:15 PM PDT by RKBA Democrat (The Last Election, November 5th 2013)
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To: RKBA Democrat

God said we’d have division among races, tribes and looks like in the USA between Liberals and Conservatives.

Am thinking the race issues will also become greater here no thanks to this administration for fueling them. We have too many hyphenated Americans.....as I see it be American or return to your own nation and make it yield to your demands.


9 posted on 10/28/2013 6:54:07 PM PDT by caww
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To: RKBA Democrat
I'm irretrievably convinced that secession is the only answer.The 50 states have reached the point where the coalition of welfare parasites and trust funded perverts now constitute the majority.Let them have Detroit...we'll take Atlanta.Let them have Oakland...we'll take Omaha.Let them issue an EBT card to *every* resident of the newly formed Marxist States of America.Let them annex Mexico as their 15th state.
10 posted on 10/28/2013 6:55:18 PM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Osama Obama Care: A Religion That Will Have You On Your Knees!)
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To: RKBA Democrat

Please add me, RKBA.


11 posted on 10/28/2013 6:55:51 PM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: Paladin2

PLEASE!!!

I am in MN6.. I promise to support Walker and people like him.


12 posted on 10/28/2013 7:02:29 PM PDT by cableguymn (The founding fathers would be shooting by now..)
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To: Paladin2
“Wisconsin needs to cede South of I94 (Madison and Mikwaukee, et.al.) to Illinois while picking up Michigan’s Upper Peninsula and perhaps parts of Minnesota north of MSP.”

No thanks. We got enough trouble with Chicago.

13 posted on 10/28/2013 7:03:52 PM PDT by CrazyIvan (Obama phones= Bread and circuits.)
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To: Still Thinking

You’re on it. Hope you find it interesting.


14 posted on 10/28/2013 7:08:26 PM PDT by RKBA Democrat (The Last Election, November 5th 2013)
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To: cableguymn
Minn. could be easily parted out. WI and ND fight to the middle north of MSP. IA gets the south (except Pipestone should go to SD).

Then the new State of Minneapolis/StP/PHC could go independent or join up with the Chicago/Milwaukee State (Southern Ill. gets split among Iowa, Ind., Mo?.

15 posted on 10/28/2013 7:13:47 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: Gay State Conservative

What makes you think that it will end any differently this time? Not to mention that a large contingent of conservatives don’t want to give up a square inch of America to this socialist scum. Let them move to North Korea, Cuba, China or whatever tyrannous hell hole they prefer.


16 posted on 10/28/2013 7:15:44 PM PDT by Durus (You can avoid reality, but you cannot avoid the consequences of avoiding reality. Ayn Rand)
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To: CrazyIvan
No you're gonna love the voting frauds of Kenoshsa and Racine.

Plus you get Janesville (Paul Ryan - amnesty lover) and Beloit.

17 posted on 10/28/2013 7:17:45 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: RKBA Democrat

Thanks for the ping. I’m not encouraged by the tone of this article which says it won’t happen in our lifetimes.

Perhaps it’s time for a “civil disobedience” movement to arise in the secessionist sentiment?


18 posted on 10/28/2013 7:31:31 PM PDT by Kevmo ("A person's a person, no matter how small" ~Horton Hears a Who)
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To: Still Thinking
So why not describe the separation in the reverse terms? We, as the legitimate residents of Colorado, are expelling you all. Be on notice to get a new name.

I vote that the Denver & Boulder areas be excised from Colorado and be known as Calirado due to their overwhelming resemblance to the stupidity and influences of California. Seriously.

19 posted on 10/28/2013 7:38:21 PM PDT by ThunderSleeps (Stop obarma now! Stop the hussein - insane agenda!)
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To: ThunderSleeps

They have to take Aspen and Pueblo too.


20 posted on 10/28/2013 7:47:15 PM PDT by redlegplanner ( No Representation without Taxation)
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