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Take This State And Shove It: The New Secession Movement
http://www.npr.org/blogs/itsallpolitics/2013/10/24/240497465/take-this-state-and-shove-it-the-new-secession-movement ^ | 10-28-13 | Alan Greenblatt

Posted on 10/28/2013 6:43:17 PM PDT by RKBA Democrat

There's a big race right now to become the 51st state.

Forget traditional contenders like Puerto Rico. In several existing states, residents of less populous areas are hoping to create new states of their own.

Citizens in 11 northeastern Colorado counties are among them. They'll vote on Nov. 5 whether to break off and form their own state. Many are unhappy about liberal state legislation they believe reflects the values of the Denver-Boulder corridor, but not their part of the world.

"We're rarely listened to when it comes to legislation," says Butch White, the mayor of Ault. "I'm sure the vote will pass in Weld County quite easily."

The Colorado counties aren't alone. There's been occasional talk of secession at various times in recent decades, but now the idea is showing signs of taking root across the map.

There is talk about and sometimes movement toward secession in several states. These are locally motivated startups, but they share some themes in common.

People in mostly conservative areas feel isolated living in states controlled by Democrats. Rural residents, in particular, believe their values are given no respect in capitols now completely dominated by urban and suburban interests.

Secession may be part of the same impulse that leads states to sue or otherwise try to block or nullify federal laws they don't like. People are losing respect for institutions that don't reflect their preferences and would prefer, to the extent possible, to extricate themselves from them.

"What we would like to do is gain representation for the northern people of the state," says Mark Baird, spokesman for a committee seeking to split off part of California. "The only way to do that is to have our own state."

Can't Get No Satisfaction

Among those yearning to break free from their states are people living in largely red counties in blue states who are displeased by new laws addressing such matters as gun control, environmental protection and gun control.

"You have issues that go way beyond gun rights," says Anthony Navarro, owner of Colorado Shooting Sports, a gun shop in Greeley. "You have people in Boulder and Denver who have and are dictating to the rest of the state."

There are some Democrats who have launched trial balloons about splitting off parts of Florida and Arizona, but those ideas haven't caught on.

Secession-minded residents in rural areas complain their voices aren't being heard in distant capitals. Some would like to create new governments from scratch rather than staying forever trapped within a larger state that doesn't reflect their preferences.

"There's no one solution that's going to be perfect, but the fact is we can minimize differences and allow people more choice about how they're governed," says Scott Strzelczyk, head of an initiative seeking to create a new state in western Maryland.

"It's like the Baskin-Robbins of states," he says. "You can actually live in a political society that governs the way you want to be governed. The more choice the better."

Rural Decline

Figures released this summer by the Census Bureau that the country's rural population, for the first time, is in decline. Rural areas now account for about 15 percent of the nation's population.

Even in farm states, rural areas within state legislatures in the last round of redistricting, exacerbating a long-standing trend.

"Greater Los Angeles has something like 34 representatives" in the California Assembly, says Baird, the spokesman for the Jefferson Declaration Committee. "The northern third of California has three."

A similar sense of frustration led to last year on the Upper Peninsula of Michigan, although it appears that effort is gaining no traction.

"We have one-third of the land mass and 3 percent of the population, so it's easy to feel neglected," says Steve Pence, a county commissioner in Marquette, Mich. "It's grounded in the legitimate feeling that if you're marginalized by geography, it's easy to feel neglected by the central government."

Odds Are Against

People in Northern California and southern Oregon have been talking about creating a state of Jefferson for a long time. They went so far as to in 1941 — three days before Pearl Harbor, which brought that particular effort to an end.

In 1965, the state Senate voted to divide the state. That didn't happen, though.

So far, only two counties have approved the latest calls to create a new state, although as many as a dozen more may soon join in.

But no state has been calved from within the borders of an existing state since West Virginia split off from Virginia in 1863.

Secession simply isn't going to happen, says Daniel Farber, a law professor at the University of California, Berkeley, who has the issue. Creation of a new state would require the blessing of the state being spurned, as well as congressional approval.

It's a Catch-22: People who want to secede because they lost influence don't have the influence to make it happen.

"You'd have to persuade the U.S. Senate to add two more senators, but why would they do that, since that would dilute their own state's influence and might well add votes to the opposing party?" Farber says.

The legal and institutional hurdles are high enough that no existing state is likely to be broken up in our lifetimes. But the urge is clearly there.

In this polarized era, lots of states that don't like the direction the federal government is taking have challenged numerous laws in court.

Is it any surprise that people within states show similar dissatisfaction?

"The politics of states have become increasingly polarized," says Tim Conlan, a public policy professor at George Mason University. "Talk of secession from Colorado or Maryland, that's partly related to the same thing. The same demographic polarization is going on within many states."


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To: RKBA Democrat

Puerto Rico a contender? Only in the minds of ballot box stuffing fantasists. But then it is an NPR piece.


21 posted on 10/28/2013 7:50:31 PM PDT by relictele ("An elective despotism was not the government we fought for..." - James Madison)
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To: redlegplanner

They are welcome to them.


22 posted on 10/28/2013 7:52:41 PM PDT by ThunderSleeps (Stop obarma now! Stop the hussein - insane agenda!)
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To: RKBA Democrat

Breaking up is hard to do.


23 posted on 10/28/2013 8:23:44 PM PDT by TBP (Obama lies, Granny dies.)
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To: relictele

We keep requiring Puerto Rico to take periodic votes on statehood. It keeps losing, but current policy is that we’;ll keep mandating referenda on the matter until it wins.


24 posted on 10/28/2013 8:25:16 PM PDT by TBP (Obama lies, Granny dies.)
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To: RKBA Democrat

Not to mention the DC statehood movement. And at one point, there was a movement to make New York City the 51st state. (Just the 5 boroughs, not any of the suburbs.)Of course, now that Democrats have been shut out of Gracie mansion for 20 yers, they don’t like this idea quite as much.


25 posted on 10/28/2013 8:27:28 PM PDT by TBP (Obama lies, Granny dies.)
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To: RKBA Democrat

I’m not in favor of parts of states joining other states, such as the counties in Colorado joining Wyoming because would not a 51st state create two more senate seats, of which would be conservative? Enough states doing this could really upset the balance of power in the Senate, which is exactly why the commies will try to stop it.

I see something on this order happening anyway. The big cities are typically infested with democrat socialists while the country folks just like their freedom. Sooner or later there’s got to be a divide.


26 posted on 10/28/2013 8:30:43 PM PDT by redfreedom (Republicans = The faux conservative wing of the democrat party.)
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To: redfreedom

I guess there is a positive side to nuclear war.


27 posted on 10/28/2013 9:56:47 PM PDT by Monorprise
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To: RKBA Democrat
Rabbi Lapin had a great discussion on why Cities tend to be liberal and why it happens, last Friday on Blaze.

Interesting indeed.

28 posted on 10/28/2013 11:13:15 PM PDT by itsahoot (It is not so much that history repeats, but that human nature does not change.)
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To: Kevmo

“Thanks for the ping. I’m not encouraged by the tone of this article which says it won’t happen in our lifetimes.”

You’re welcome. Keep in mind it was written by NPR. Although I agree that new states will be difficult to constitute, what probably is doable is states redrawing boundary lines. For example, Wyoming grows by a few counties that Colorado would probably be happy to get rid of anyway.


29 posted on 10/29/2013 2:18:26 AM PDT by RKBA Democrat ( There is no worse president than owebama. And valerie jarrett is his prophet.)
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To: RKBA Democrat

There has been talk, just small talk so far, to have NW NJ split and join PA.

Many people don’t realize that just under half of the state’s counties are Red.

But it’s the “just under” that makes all the difference.


30 posted on 10/29/2013 5:45:29 AM PDT by FatherFig1o155 ("Most bad government results from too much government." -- Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Gay State Conservative

Are you sure you want Atlanta?


31 posted on 10/29/2013 1:13:25 PM PDT by RipSawyer (The TREE currently falling on you actually IS worse than a Bush.)
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