The bottom line is the guy was being a disrespectful jerk looking for trouble.
BTW I am no fan of LEO's but you need a certain amount of respect in a polite society if expect to be treated politely.
That says so much there is no need to add anything to it.
BTW I am no fan of LEO's but you need a certain amount of respect in a polite society if expect to be treated politely.
Actually, in my police academy it was stressed repeatedly that it was irrelevant to the situation at hand how nasty, rude, profane, uncivilized, or just plain disgusting a citizen acted toward us. We were to remain polite and courteous in the face of even the most outrageous verbal attacks, and were only to make an arrest or take action when the citizen violated the law, or within legal precedent (i.e., Supreme Court decisions). We were reminded ad nauseum that we are the servants of the people, and that there is no expectation of civility on the part of the people we serve.
I'd say about 20% or fewer police officers adhere to this philosophy, but nonetheless, this was the standard expressed to us in our training.
It is against doctrine for a police officer to respond negatively to a rude citizen.
“... I don’t want to here (sic) any of your B.S. about your rights...”
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That is just about the stupidest thing I have ever seen anyone post on FR.
Ever.
You may not want to hear about rights. That’s your problem - they exist. We have no duty to be respectful to an abusive civil right violating officer operating outside the law.
“You were not there and I was not there.”
We were all there during the viewable part of the video recording, and the video recording clearly shows the police officer violating a number of laws and using dangerously poor judgement. The video also shows Grisham very correctly asking the questions any citizen should ask and has a right to ask to determine whether or not the citizen is required by law to make a response to the officer’s questons and/or orders. Grisham rightfully has no duty to respond to a request for his identity, surrender his firearm, or surrender his property until and unless the officer states his authority for probable cause to do so. If Grisham was under suspicion for the commission of a crime, the officers had the duty to read him his Miranda rights in order for Grisham to state he reserved the right to remain silent and request the presence of an attorney. The officers did not do so before questioning him preparatory to placing him under arrest for what appears to have been an extralegal and false arrest in an attempt to cover up their false arrest.
“The video does not show what led up to the confrontation.”
No, it did not; but we do have enough video to determine the procedures being used by the police officers were apparently unlawful regardless of what happened before the video begins. In the event the testimony of Grisham, Grisham’s son, and the police officers can be validated and impeached as it now appears likely, the police officers knew or had reson to know they were acting outside their authority under the law and attempted to discredit Grisham in advance by putting him under a false arrest. This is a common tactic used by rogue police officers and rogue police departments to punish citizens who get in their way of inflicting extralegal street justice in their eyes.
“I don’t want to here any of your B.S. about your rights. And mentioning 1930’s Germany is ludicrous.”
The word is “hear” and not “here”. Since you are not our master and dictator of censorship, unfortunately for you, you’ll just have to hear about our rights whether you like it or not.
There is nothing “ludicrous” about the situation at all. I’ve known a number of people who were actually arrested by Hitler’s Gestapo and sent to concentration camps who were better treated by the Gestapo upon their arrest than what we see in this video.
“The bottom line is the guy was being a disrespectful jerk looking for trouble.”
If you think Grisham’s statements and actions were disrespectful, then you have just demonstrated that you are so badly lacking in judgement as to make it unnecessary to afford any respect whaatsoever to anything else you may have to say on the subject. As the vidoe so ably demonstrates, Grisham’s statements were the statements he was required to make to determine whether or not the police oficers were acting with or without probable cause for their own actions, orders, and demands to seize the weapons and person of mr. Grisahm. The fact that you refuse to recognize and respect Grisham’s fulfillment of his duties as a citizen puts yourself far outside the pale of reasonable conduct by yourself.
“BTW I am no fan of LEO’s but you need a certain amount of respect in a polite society if expect to be treated politely.”
By your own actions, you have utterly failed to recognize what is and is not proper politeness and respect for the citizen or the police officers.
Is being a disrespectful jerk (just for the sake of argument) a crime? Boy oh boy, we need more prisons, if that is true.