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To: Hostage
RE :”But you are expressing disappointments from observations taken last January. I don’t believe Boehner had violated the Hastert Rule until yesterday.”

No that is wrong, no wonder you think what you do.

He violated it twice JUST this year 2013 before this CR (VAWA and tax deal) and twice the last session (Budget control and Sandy relief) yet not one challenged him, nor will they now.

Thats 5 total.

58 posted on 10/17/2013 7:42:57 AM PDT by sickoflibs (To GOP : Any path to US Citizenship IS putting them ahead in line. Stop lying about your position)
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To: sickoflibs

You are correct in the strict sense but it was in the sequester planning with conservatives earlier this year and the immigration and the just held defund/debt strategy agreement that Boehner ‘promised’ to conservatives that he would adhere to the Hastert Rule. I am not sure if that was promised for VAWA, tax deal, Sandy relief and budget. In those dealings I do not remember conservatives pinning Boehner down to following the Hastert Rule.

But I do remember Michele Bachmann and other tea party conservatives confronting Boehner over immigration and extracting his promise to respect the Hastert Rule or else face possible removal as Speaker. I also remember just recently conservatives reporting that Boehner had promised to follow the Hastert Rule on the defund and debt ceiling bills.

So when I said ‘violated’ the Hastert Rule I meant in the context of his promise to conservatives, not for other issues for which conservatives were not as united.

The Hastert Rule is not law; it is a gentlemen’s agreement like a memorandum of understanding among members of the republican caucus for how legislation will be introduced in the House or dealt with when receiving from outside the House.

For certain issues deemed not critical to party or country survival such as VAWA or Sandy Relief, the Hastert Rule seems irrelevant and at the time Boehner ignored as you said the Hastert Rule it was probably with the understanding that republicans did not need that level of control.

But a lot has happened since January of this year. The IRS targeting Tea Party non-profits, the Benghazi coverup, the NSA monitoring revelation, the alterior motives of the current immigration reform legislation, the threat by Reid to go nuclear, the dictatorial behavior of Obama, and so many others, all have created a panicked atmosphere and deep mistrust of this President. Now the Hastert Rule seems important and the promises to observe and respect it are non-negotiable.

So it’s different now. Boehner has shown his hand and his determination to betray his fellow party members.

Now those who felt previously that an effort to oust Boehner was premature are now of the mind that he must go, because that is what their constituents think.

So I don’t agree that members will not challenge Boehner because life is too cozy just the way things are. I believe at this very moment they are getting angry calls from constituents demanding that something be done about Boehner. I know for a fact from accounts of relatives in Ohio that they think Boehner is a problem and now needs to be removed.


68 posted on 10/17/2013 10:11:16 AM PDT by Hostage (Be Breitbart!)
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