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What the Obama-care law text REALLY says on IRS enforcement of the personal Mandate fine/tax
GPO via govtrack. us congress bills site ^ | 10/16/2013 | sickoflibs and text of law

Posted on 10/16/2013 7:50:01 AM PDT by sickoflibs

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Need this for reference here as I always get challenged on it.
1 posted on 10/16/2013 7:50:01 AM PDT by sickoflibs
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To: codder too; unlearner; ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; Gilbo_3; Impy; NFHale; BillyBoy; ...

Here ya go, feel free to reference this above:


2 posted on 10/16/2013 7:52:23 AM PDT by sickoflibs (To GOP : Any path to US Citizenship IS putting them ahead in line. Stop lying about your position)
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To: sickoflibs

But they will try to impose penalties and/or criminal charges in spite of the law.
Don’t trust the fascists currently in charge.


3 posted on 10/16/2013 7:55:04 AM PDT by I want the USA back (Media: completely irresponsible traitors. Complicit in the destruction of our country.)
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To: sickoflibs

Good information. My question - is this in the original bill? If so, what’s hidden in the 11.5M pages of regulations filed since?


4 posted on 10/16/2013 7:56:13 AM PDT by mykroar (China and Russia are playing chess while Obamas's playing 52 card pick-up.)
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To: sickoflibs
What does it say in subchapter B of chapter 68?
5 posted on 10/16/2013 7:58:25 AM PDT by Marylander
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It says “The (HHS)Secretary shall not.” Doesn’t mention the IRS.


6 posted on 10/16/2013 7:58:38 AM PDT by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: I want the USA back; mykroar; Marylander; codder too; unlearner
RE :”But they will try to impose penalties and/or criminal charges in spite of the law.
Don’t trust the fascists currently in charge”

That May or may not happen but if they try even the most liberal judges will rule to throw it out of court since the text of bill is so clear.

Lawyers will be lining up to take that first case on and beat the government.

Lets not do Obamas work and scare people into helping make Obama-care work.

7 posted on 10/16/2013 8:01:28 AM PDT by sickoflibs (To GOP : Any path to US Citizenship IS putting them ahead in line. Stop lying about your position)
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To: sickoflibs

“At the discretion of the Secretary...”
“To be determined later...”
“At the discretion of the Committee...”


8 posted on 10/16/2013 8:05:19 AM PDT by Ingtar (The NSA - "We're the only part of government who actually listens to the people.")
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To: sickoflibs

And income taxes are supposed to be voluntary.


9 posted on 10/16/2013 8:06:45 AM PDT by PhiloBedo (You gotta roll with the punches and get with what's real.)
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To: sickoflibs

From my likely imperfect recollection of the my reading of the bill, this was contradicted at least twice in other sections. The thing wasn’t even internally consistent other than to give huge discretionary powers to Administrative branch officials and committees.


10 posted on 10/16/2013 8:08:04 AM PDT by Ingtar (The NSA - "We're the only part of government who actually listens to the people.")
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To: sickoflibs

Say “Hi”, to Wesley Snipes when you check in!


11 posted on 10/16/2013 8:08:06 AM PDT by Darteaus94025 (Phony President)
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To: sickoflibs

a) from what I hear, IRS will withhold it from refunds.

b) the big tizzy I saw posted on FR yesterday about individuals not being able to be collected from, that employers, corporations, etc., could, according to the Roberts opinion, missed the whole point. The point is that employers can be enforced upon. Employers are the collectors of tax, since businesses that want to sell of lot of goods and services by definition can’t hide. If I own a small garage, for example, I want to be incorporated - and I’m an employer. So, voila, I’m stuck. I can’t pick up my garage and move it, any time the Feds want me, they know where I and my bank accounts are. Big business, of course, is subject to the same concept - they withhold taxes from their workerbees, and can’t really avoid it without getting nailed. Same thing goes if information needs to be collected: IRS just has to design a form and tell business it needs to fill one out for every employee. This employer-focused strategy lets politicians who love or give in to imposing Obamacare on the sheeple a way to say that any mandates are not on individual sheeple (they just don’t say that the mandates are on the sheeples’ employers).


12 posted on 10/16/2013 8:08:16 AM PDT by PieterCasparzen (We have to fix things ourselves)
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So you don’t pay this year’s penalty/tax.

Next year, when you send the IRS a check to pay your income taxes, they first apply the funds against your previous years’ unpaid penalty/tax, and then what remains against next year’s income tax. You will thus be short on paying next year’s income tax, for which there definitely is legal repercussions.


13 posted on 10/16/2013 8:08:34 AM PDT by Monitor ("The urge to save humanity is almost always a false-front for the urge to rule it." - H. L. Mencken)
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I think these rules were added after the Supreme Court case where it was ruled that they can NOT force you to. buy health insurance. Roberts twist was that it was OK to tax you if you did not have health insurance, but that not having insurance is not a crime.


14 posted on 10/16/2013 8:09:01 AM PDT by BRK
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‘(A) WAIVER OF CRIMINAL PENALTIES- In the case of any failure by a taxpayer to timely pay any penalty imposed by this section, such taxpayer shall not be subject to any criminal prosecution or penalty with respect to such failure.

‘(B) LIMITATIONS ON LIENS AND LEVIES- The Secretary shall not—
‘(i) file notice of lien with respect to any property of a taxpayer by reason of any failure to pay the penalty imposed by this section, or
‘(ii) levy on any such property with respect to such failure.’.

15 posted on 10/16/2013 8:09:31 AM PDT by sickoflibs (To GOP : Any path to US Citizenship IS putting them ahead in line. Stop lying about your position)
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I figure you will just get audited year after year until you’re broken.

The tax code is so convoluted that for middle class people the odds are pretty good that they can find something with which to harass you and perhaps fine you.

Regardless of what the law actually says, there is a reason they choose the IRS as the enforcement arm. It is a rogue agency, run by leftist true believers that are loyal to a man who has no regard for the law or the Constitution.

They make a few highly publicized examples of the destruction of ordinary people, claiming with a wink and a nod that it has nothing to do with ObamaCare, and then they sit back and wait to see what happens.

I apologize up front for sounding negative. However, we are not dealing with pragmatic crooks here; we are dealing with genuine evil that has no limits to what it is capable of. And the idiot Republicans still think they can negotiate with such evil.

At times I think the GOPe is a collective Chamberlain-esq personality. Then I realize they are too hypocritical and venal to have the naive idealism of Chamberlain.


16 posted on 10/16/2013 8:10:10 AM PDT by ChildOfThe60s ((If you can remember the 60s.....you weren't really there)
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In Massachusetts you get a form like a 1099 from your insurer so that the penalty for not having insurance is waived from your tax return or it is added to your liability.


17 posted on 10/16/2013 8:10:30 AM PDT by edzo4 (You call us the 'Party Of No', I call us the resistance.)
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To: PhiloBedo
And income taxes are supposed to be voluntary.

And tax legislation is supposed to originate in the House.
18 posted on 10/16/2013 8:10:59 AM PDT by LostInBayport (When there are more people riding in the cart than there are pulling it, the cart stops moving...)
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To: ChildOfThe60s

GOPe and Democrats work for the same people.


19 posted on 10/16/2013 8:14:19 AM PDT by PieterCasparzen (We have to fix things ourselves)
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Exactly. This whole Obamacare debacle is nothing short of financial collectivism. Simply for existing the government now has an avenue to basically take everything you own - “spread the wealth”. The twice unconstitutionally elected admitted foreign born communist Kenyan said his next order of biz is “immigration reform” - meaning he is going to drive in the final nail, allow illegals to flood in and get free health care because they can’t afford it which means for everyone else who can “afford” it, their rates will go through the roof - as if they aren’t through the roof already - and when they can’t pay and don’t qualify for assistance, in comes the “fines” and then comes the levys, possessions, auctions. Kiss the house, car, and everything else goodbye because all that must be “shared” and of course liberals will blame it all on Republicans and the sniveling RINOs will blame the “Tea party radicals”.


20 posted on 10/16/2013 8:18:14 AM PDT by GrandJediMasterYoda (What do we want? Time travel. When do we want it? It's irrelevant.)
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