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Judges bid to banish Bible from court over fears witnesses, defendants no longer take oath seriously
Daily Mail (UK) ^ | 19:54 EST, 5 October 2013 | Nick Constable and Martin Beckford

Posted on 10/05/2013 10:29:35 PM PDT by Olog-hai

Defendants and witnesses in British courts will no longer swear on the Bible to tell the truth under controversial plans being considered by a powerful body of judges.

The traditional religious oath could be scrapped amid concerns that many giving evidence in criminal cases no longer take it seriously. Instead, all witnesses and defendants would promise to tell the truth without mentioning God, and would acknowledge they could be jailed if they are caught lying.

It is claimed the new oath would be fairer for everyone and make it easier to understand the importance of what they are saying. But critics point out non-believers already have the option of promising to tell the truth without any reference to a sacred text, and that the change would further erode Britain’s Christian heritage. …

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: bibleban; judges; oaths; perjury
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1 posted on 10/05/2013 10:29:35 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai

Will they use the Satanic Bible or the Quran now?


2 posted on 10/05/2013 10:43:59 PM PDT by jsanders2001
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To: Olog-hai

The judges are lazy ignorant morons. Pigs have more fortitude. They do not bother to realize that the Jude o-Christian system of morality is what keeps our society nailed down. And, it that Christian heritage that put our nation on a course for success that has been the envy of nations around the world.


3 posted on 10/05/2013 10:46:25 PM PDT by jonrick46 (The opium of Communists: other people's money.)
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To: Olog-hai

“all witnesses and defendants would promise to tell the truth without mentioning God, and would acknowledge they could be jailed if they are caught lying.”

So how does removing God make it fairer?


4 posted on 10/05/2013 10:46:34 PM PDT by mylife (Ted Cruz understands the law, and he does not fear the unlawful.)
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To: Olog-hai
Just make it a simple...”Do you understand you will be charged with felony perjury if you lie to the court” and be done with it.
5 posted on 10/05/2013 10:53:26 PM PDT by BigCinBigD (...Was that okay?)
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To: Olog-hai
Instead, all witnesses and defendants would promise to tell the truth without mentioning God, and would acknowledge they could be jailed if they are caught lying.

Substituting the fear of men for the fear of God is a very, very bad trade.

Luke chapter 12

4 “And I say to you...do not be afraid of those who kill the body, and after that have no more that they can do. 5 But I will show you whom you should fear: Fear Him who, after He has killed, has power to cast into hell; yes, I say to you, fear Him!"


6 posted on 10/05/2013 11:10:09 PM PDT by EternalVigilance
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To: EternalVigilance
There is no fear of God before their eyes.

— Psalm 36:1 and Romans 3:18
Nothing good will come of this to be sure.
7 posted on 10/05/2013 11:16:06 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai

“No, Your Honor, I do not so swear. I do swear to tell the truth, as much of the truth as the Court, Prosecutor, and Defense allow; and nothing but the truth, so help me God! I refuse to allow myself to be forsworn, as I take my oath very seriously.”


8 posted on 10/05/2013 11:20:33 PM PDT by ApplegateRanch (Love me, love my guns!©)
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To: Olog-hai; EternalVigilance

...adding to your posts...

“They strut their evil before you”

They don’t do this for themselves...they do it ‘before us’ and with intent.


9 posted on 10/05/2013 11:24:36 PM PDT by caww
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To: Olog-hai
and make it easier to understand the importance of what they are saying.<<<

OK!...lol...Lets see how that works for ya!...

I know you'll pay attention this time...What did u say again?

10 posted on 10/05/2013 11:38:26 PM PDT by M-cubed
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To: Olog-hai

“But above all, my brethren, do not swear, either by heaven or by earth or with any other oath. But let your ‘Yes,’ be ‘Yes,’ and your ‘No,’ ‘No,’ lest you fall into judgment.” (James 5:12).

We’re not supposed to take any oaths at all.


11 posted on 10/06/2013 12:10:56 AM PDT by VerySadAmerican (".....Barrack, and the horse Mohammed rode in on.")
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Thou shalt fear the LORD thy God, and serve him, and shalt swear by his name.

— Deuteronomy 6:13
Must be the context of oaths, because they are binding. Certainly God swore oaths by himself (no one greater to swear by), and those oaths did not “come of evil”.
12 posted on 10/06/2013 12:20:14 AM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai

Oaths of all types are being violated with impunity

Marriage Vows
Hippocratic Oaths
Florence nightingale Oaths
Oaths of Office
Sacraments of Faith

Why is this any different?


13 posted on 10/06/2013 2:10:03 AM PDT by HangnJudge
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To: jsanders2001
Will they use the Satanic Bible or the Quran now?

To accommodate all religious and nonreligious beliefs, they will start using the Phone Book...........

14 posted on 10/06/2013 3:19:19 AM PDT by varon ( para bellum, Impeach Obama)
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To: jonrick46
The judges are lazy ignorant morons. Pigs have more fortitude. They do not bother to realize that the Jude o-Christian system of morality is what keeps our society nailed down. And, it that Christian heritage that put our nation on a course for success that has been the envy of nations around the world.

They are part of Satan's plan - on the flip side, they also fall into God's plan and promise.

15 posted on 10/06/2013 4:43:33 AM PDT by trebb (Where in the the hell has my country gone?)
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To: jsanders2001

“Will they use the Satanic Bible or the Quran now?”

Aren’t they the same?


16 posted on 10/06/2013 5:54:52 AM PDT by gop4lyf (Are we no longer in that awkward time? Or is it still too early?)
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To: Olog-hai

That’s because there is no penalty for lying. Duh!


17 posted on 10/06/2013 7:29:25 AM PDT by AKinAK (Keep your powder dry pilgrim.)
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That’s because there is no penalty for lying. Duh!

Perhaps not in THIS world...

18 posted on 10/06/2013 7:31:49 AM PDT by who knows what evil? (G-d saved more animals than people on the ark...www.siameserescue.org.)
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To: Olog-hai
no longer take it seriously

Of course the weirdo in the funny wig up there on the bench has nothing to do with that.

19 posted on 10/06/2013 7:42:25 AM PDT by Moltke (Sapere aude!)
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To: gop4lyf

No. One was written by Aleister Crowley, a Satanist with a severe heroin addiction; the other by Mohammed, a peophile who married a bride at 6 and consumated her at 9 then later told his followers to hate non-followers (infidels) and kill them but to first try and overtake their lands by pretending to be friends with (lying to) them then enslaving them if they did not submit to Allah.

On the other hand, the bible was written by many different men / clerics over thousands of years, contains the 10 Comandments which is the basis for laws in many countries, contains many books in the New Testament about the life of Jesus who performed many miracles which inlclude raising the dead, healing the sick / the blind, walking on water, turning water into wine, predicting this future, etc...even prophets predicted his coming long before he was born, contains a very large number of prophecies that have already come true and many which are unfolding even right now as we speak.

Guess which book I think would be best to make an oath on?


20 posted on 10/06/2013 12:39:53 PM PDT by jsanders2001
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