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Ted Cruz Speech Nods to Increasing Libertarian Views within Republican Party
Cato Institute ^ | 9/26/13 | David Kirby

Posted on 09/30/2013 9:24:47 AM PDT by shego

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To: CatherineofAragon; Engraved-on-His-hands; shego

People can marry their toaster, for all I care. As long as that decision isn’t costing taxpayers money for the extra partners + benefits for “alternative” lifestyles. Take a flat salary instead, allocate it as you please (to your toaster’s healthcare).

Tea Party is a fiscal responsibility movement - not obsessed with gays, “queers,” homos, or whatever you term them.

NO CRICKETS - JUST ME. My husband agrees with me; we have both voted Republican for many years; work in Washington DC during the Reagan admin; worked at Heritage Foundation.

Have a nice evening, everyone.


401 posted on 10/02/2013 10:10:33 PM PDT by 4Liberty (Some on our "Roads & Bridges" head to the beach. Others head to their offices, farms, libraries....)
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To: 4Liberty

Actually the largest group within the tea party are social conservatives, even what is known as the religious right, it doesn’t have that many libertarians.

They know what they are focused on right now, but they are not social liberals, so don’t think that is where they are if the question arises.


402 posted on 10/03/2013 12:41:53 AM PDT by ansel12 ( 'I'm on That New Obama Diet... Every Day I Let Vladimir Putin Eat My Lunch' .)
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To: ansel12

Your fascination with homosexuals is sad.


403 posted on 10/03/2013 4:56:16 AM PDT by donmeaker (Youth is wasted on the young.)
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To: JediJones

Is Christmas a sacrament in your church?


404 posted on 10/03/2013 5:00:45 AM PDT by donmeaker (Youth is wasted on the young.)
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To: ansel12

Amusing that you think Vietnam was fought by volunteers.

Wrong again.


405 posted on 10/03/2013 5:02:53 AM PDT by donmeaker (Youth is wasted on the young.)
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To: ansel12

That whole “the tea party are frauds who pretend to care about taxes but really have a whole other agenda” line is nothing but liberal disinformation.


406 posted on 10/03/2013 5:51:28 AM PDT by shego
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To: shego

Awesome. Cruz / Paul 2016.


407 posted on 10/03/2013 6:06:58 AM PDT by plain talk
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To: plain talk
Cruz / Paul 2016

Sounds like a plan to me!

408 posted on 10/03/2013 7:00:10 AM PDT by shego
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To: OneWingedShark
An interesting point is raised on this thread (though the author of the linked article goes off the rails on the subject of "equality", carelessly conflating equality of opportunity with equality of outcome):
One thing about virtues -- which are defined as "good moral habits" -- is that their exercise doesn't require the cooperation, or compulsion, of another person.

409 posted on 10/03/2013 8:33:59 AM PDT by shego
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To: shego

Republicans have learned to vote for the ‘best’ of two evils so is this supposed to be different? I have voted libertarian for a long time. I think at their worst the libertarian party is better than the republicans now in office.


410 posted on 10/03/2013 8:43:05 AM PDT by Ramonne
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To: 4Liberty
With all due respect, it doesn't matter to me if you worked in the Oval Office right up under Reagan. If you think you can have a healthy, prosperous country in which sick perverts are allowed to call feces obsession "marriage", you are tragically mistaken, and ignorant of history.

You dismiss the idea of queer marriage as long as it doesn't cost taxpayers anything. You can't be that ignorant of the facts, can you? Homosexuals who work for the government want to name their "spouses" as dependents. Due to their lifestyle and practices, they have a higher rate of disease, more mental illness, more substance abuse, and a shorter lifespan. What do you think that means for the taxpayer? Or, for that matter, for private businesses' bottom lines?

And yes, there are costs besides monetary ones, no matter how much contempt you fiscal-only types have for social issues. School children will be taught that a filthy abomination is equal with marriage. More children will be adopted by same-sex couples, which opens those kids up to a higher probability of drug abuse, promiscuity, and mental and emotional health issues.

Not to mention physical and sexual abuse. Are you not aware of the fact that homosexuals adopt children and sexually abuse them from infancy? If you have a strong stomach, google the Folsom Street Fair. You'll see queers parading their adopted toddlers around on chains, in leather bondage outfits. But hey! Let them marry if it doesn't cost you money, right? /s

Then there's the issue of the slippery slope, and what will follow after queer marriage. The polygamists are already making noise, wanting their relationships to be normalized and approved. But you don't mind, right? Long as you don't have to pay for it. And the same will doubtless be true when the zoophiliacs are next up.

"Tea Party is a fiscal responsibility movement - not obsessed with gays, “queers,” homos, or whatever you term them"

I term them queers, fags, and filthy, feces-obsessed sodomites. Is that plain enough for you? I won't play the PC game of allowing them to redefine the language, as you are doing, in your self-satisfied attempt to be tolerant.

Lastly, how dare you accuse conservatives of being "obsessed" with queers. Their deviant, sick lifestyle is pushed in our faces daily while they demand not only tolerance, but acceptance and approval. Yet according to you, we should shut up and take it; speaking the truth about these deviants is "obsession."

Well, sister, you can take that liberal point of view and....well, let's just say you can ask your "gay" friends what to do with it. They'll know.

411 posted on 10/03/2013 9:18:16 AM PDT by CatherineofAragon (((Support Christian white males----the architects of the jewel known as Western Civilization.)))
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To: shego
'One thing about virtues -- which are defined as "good moral habits" -- is that their exercise doesn't require the cooperation, or compulsion, of another person. "

And yet the gubernatorial candidate you support will try to force queer marriage on the state of Virginia. How do you justify that?

412 posted on 10/03/2013 9:20:19 AM PDT by CatherineofAragon (((Support Christian white males----the architects of the jewel known as Western Civilization.)))
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To: donmeaker
FRiend, you ever hear about why it's a bad idea to wrestle with a pig??

Been there, done that, won't do it any more.

413 posted on 10/03/2013 9:28:10 AM PDT by Notary Sojac (Mi tio es enfermo, pero la carretera es verde!)
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To: ansel12

Taxed Enough Already.

Sure, that spells ‘support of government program to raise morals’ to me.


414 posted on 10/03/2013 9:49:51 AM PDT by donmeaker (Youth is wasted on the young.)
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To: CatherineofAragon
"Homosexuals who work for the government want to name their "spouses" as dependents. Due to their lifestyle and practices, they have a higher rate of disease, more mental illness, more substance abuse, and a shorter lifespan. What do you think that means for the taxpayer?

It means more social security paid in, and fewer social security payouts.

Or, for that matter, for private businesses' bottom lines?"

Less time off for pregnancy or tending to the children.

415 posted on 10/03/2013 9:54:28 AM PDT by donmeaker (Youth is wasted on the young.)
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To: CatherineofAragon

Please name one person that the candidate for governor of Virginia will force into a queer marriage.


416 posted on 10/03/2013 9:57:58 AM PDT by donmeaker (Youth is wasted on the young.)
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To: shego

Would you try and focus, read that post again and quit making up fake quotes that have zero relevance to what a poster posts.


417 posted on 10/03/2013 10:25:26 AM PDT by ansel12 ( 'I'm on That New Obama Diet... Every Day I Let Vladimir Putin Eat My Lunch' .)
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To: donmeaker; Notary Sojac
Amusing that you think Vietnam was fought by volunteers. Wrong again.

The numbers of the WWII dead and the Vietnam war dead, are roughly reversed with about 70% of the WWII dead being draftees and about 70% of the Vietnam dead being volunteers.

Of Americans who served in Vietnam about 25% of them were draftees.

418 posted on 10/03/2013 10:34:53 AM PDT by ansel12 ( 'I'm on That New Obama Diet... Every Day I Let Vladimir Putin Eat My Lunch' .)
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To: donmeaker; shego

Read post 402 again and try to understand what it said it was merely but accurately describing who makes up the tea party, we know the polling data on who makes up the tea party.

What you two don’t grasp is how the electorate breaks down, being social liberals you don’t understand that your types are overwhelmingly affiliated with the democrat party, while the right is overwhelmingly made up of Christians and religious people, for instance Orthodox Jews vote republican although Jews overwhelmingly vote democrats.

“”Tea Party Overwhelmingly Christian And Socially Conservative.
So, first, it’s an overwhelmingly Christian group. 81% identify as Christian, and nearly half (47%) say they are part of the religious right or conservative Christian movement.
Secondly, it isn’t libertarian, it’s much more socially conservative, with 63% saying abortion should be illegal and only 18% in favor of gay marriage.””

http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2010/10/05/130353765/new-poll-tea-party-overwhelmingly-christian-and-socially-conservative


419 posted on 10/03/2013 10:43:35 AM PDT by ansel12 ( 'I'm on That New Obama Diet... Every Day I Let Vladimir Putin Eat My Lunch' .)
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To: Ramonne
I think at their worst the libertarian party is better than the republicans now in office.

Really?

Full term abortion, no such thing as marriage, gay everything, fire the Border patrol and INS and throw open the gates, actually remove the border restraints and allow full and total open borders? A total and complete destruction of American culture?

All this and more, not as a failing, or because of weakness or rinos, etc., but as a deliberate party platform, an open and aggressively pursued party agenda.

420 posted on 10/03/2013 10:54:39 AM PDT by ansel12 ( 'I'm on That New Obama Diet... Every Day I Let Vladimir Putin Eat My Lunch' .)
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