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It’s a Gigantic Shell Game (Obamacare)
NY Times ^ | Sept 26, 2013 | Grace-Marie Turner

Posted on 09/29/2013 8:44:48 PM PDT by Innovative

Avik Roy, a senior fellow at the Manhattan Institute, has done an actual cost comparison "Here’s the bottom line," he writes, "most people with average incomes will pay more under Obamacare for individually purchased insurance than they did before."

Here's where the shell game comes in: the administration says that the actual numbers of the insurance aren't important and what really matters is how much people will pay after the subsidies. But subsidies aren't free. They are paid for through higher taxes or greater deficit spending. And these taxes are a dead weight on the economy that impede economic growth.

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Editorial; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 0carenightmare; healthcare; obama; obamacare; shellgame
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Obama and the Dems don't want people to figure this out...
1 posted on 09/29/2013 8:44:48 PM PDT by Innovative
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To: Innovative

So, the New York Slimes attacks Republicans for supposedly shutting down government over Obamacare, but then exposes Obamacare as a shell game.


2 posted on 09/29/2013 8:46:53 PM PDT by Viennacon
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To: Innovative

It’s on the opinion page at the NYSlimes. 99% of their reporters/editors like 0bamacare.


3 posted on 09/29/2013 8:47:21 PM PDT by Drango (A liberal's compassion is limited only by the size of someone else's wallet.)
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To: Innovative

Wait until people see how much their copays are.


4 posted on 09/29/2013 8:47:34 PM PDT by pallis
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To: Viennacon

just read the comments and see the extent of mental illness that marks “liberalism” in this country


5 posted on 09/29/2013 8:48:31 PM PDT by silverleaf (Going to war without the French is like going hunting without an accordion.)
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To: Innovative

And in the meantime, Joe Biden wrote this editorial:

Joe Biden: Obamacare will fix a broken system

http://www.mercurynews.com/opinion/ci_24184669/joe-biden-obamacare-will-fix-broken-system

“But come Tuesday, Americans will be able to see for themselves that the Affordable Care Act isn’t actually about Washington politics. It’s about regular people shopping for insurance they can finally afford, and purchasing security and peace of mind along with it. “


6 posted on 09/29/2013 8:48:46 PM PDT by Innovative ("Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing." -- Vince Lombardi)
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To: Viennacon

it may be a shell game but at least the noble democrats are DOOOOING something

style points to the democrats


7 posted on 09/29/2013 8:50:16 PM PDT by silverleaf (Going to war without the French is like going hunting without an accordion.)
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To: Innovative

regular people may be out shopping for “affordable” insurance but Congress doesn’t have to, nor does Joe Biden

we are paying


8 posted on 09/29/2013 8:52:01 PM PDT by silverleaf (Going to war without the French is like going hunting without an accordion.)
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The shock will take effect once the monthly premiums for ordinary Americans matches or exceeds the monthly mortgage payment.


9 posted on 09/29/2013 8:52:26 PM PDT by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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“the actual numbers aren’t important”

They aren’t now but they will carry some weight in the future, with the IRS, debt collectors, hospital administrators, et al.


10 posted on 09/29/2013 9:00:46 PM PDT by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: All armed conservatives.)
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To: Innovative

They also don’ want them to know there is no actual healthcare.


11 posted on 09/29/2013 9:01:38 PM PDT by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: tumblindice

The Democrats are really throwing the dice on this one in persuading their constituents that the cost of health care and its quality will improve with the govt in the middle of it all.


12 posted on 09/29/2013 9:05:57 PM PDT by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: Innovative
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13 posted on 09/29/2013 9:07:10 PM PDT by Huskrrrr
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To: silverleaf

“style points to the democrats”

Wait a minute - didn’t he say after the Syria debacle that he didn’t care about points for style?


14 posted on 09/29/2013 9:07:32 PM PDT by aquila48
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To: Gene Eric

Loaded dice, maybe since it’s a wink and a nod between the Dens and their constituents: no more debt collectors Dunning you for the ambyoo-lance. And we all know you’re judgment-proof for the 20,000 dollar gun-shot surgery ... so they think they’re tying this can to whitey’s tail when the practical effect will be to make more Americans (clearing throat) ‘judgment-proof.’


15 posted on 09/29/2013 9:15:46 PM PDT by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: All armed conservatives.)
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Obamacare is a gigantic shell game.

Correction.

Obamacare [sic] is a Gigantic CON game.

You (even you NY Timsians) will agree with this after you have sacrificed substantial time, money, and (sadly) some relatives.

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16 posted on 09/29/2013 9:31:21 PM PDT by Seaplaner (Never give in. Never give in. Never...except to convictions of honour and good sense. W. Churchill)
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To: pallis

I looked at a breakdown of the co pays and I don’t remember which state the exchange was for. What I noticed was the breakdown of who pays what.

They had 3 columns and each column had a yearly income.
The first column was the lowest income and the co pay was $3.00, the second column was the second highest income and that was a 15.00 co pay the third column which was about a 45K salary had a $45.00 to $50.00 co pay. So all they did was take from the 3rd highest income and pay for the lower incomes co pays. It was really striking looking at it on paper.


17 posted on 09/29/2013 9:31:53 PM PDT by funfan
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To: Innovative

simply stated OBAMACARE is the massive federal tax on the middle class...but one can be sure that the likes of scum like Kantor and Boehner arent up to word challenges....kantors wife is so liberal she can make kosher salt turn into pepper


18 posted on 09/29/2013 10:01:57 PM PDT by Understand the stimulus
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To: Innovative

I can’t believe Biden actually called it what it is: INSURANCE! Not Healthcare!


19 posted on 09/29/2013 10:35:01 PM PDT by VerySadAmerican (".....Barrack, and the horse Mohammed rode in on.")
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To: Innovative
16,000 IRS agents

0 Doctors

0 Nurses

0 Hospitals

You tell me what it's about!

20 posted on 09/29/2013 11:04:19 PM PDT by rawcatslyentist (Jeremiah 50:32 "The arrogant one will stumble and fall ; / ?)
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