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To: BurningOak; Lurking Libertarian; Greysard

Jihad Watch’s Robert Spencer had a rather interesting take on this very concept back when Indonesia was banning Lady gaga from entering, which addresses the exact same issues that have been discussed here. And to my understanding, Robert Spencer has traditionally been rather popular around here.

This might be worth reading too: http://www.jihadwatch.org/2012/05/robert-spencer-is-freedom-worth-defending.html

On the difference between Christian vs Islamic Shariah notions of fighting sin, in particular he notes:

” While many of us might deplore the depravity of today’s pop culture, we should not let Islamic moral critique put us on the defensive. In reality, the freedom at which the jihadists sneer is an essential component of any genuine morality. “Australian law guarantees freedoms up to a crazy level,” remarked the controversial former Australian mufti Sheikh Taj al-Din al-Hilali—but without freedom, even “up to a crazy level,” morality is hollow. The secular West, with all its irreligion and debauchery, provides the only authentic framework for genuine virtue. Without the freedom to choose evil, choosing good is not a virtue. It’s nothing more than submitting to coercion. Islam’s moral critique likewise founders on the divine sanction given to violence in the Qur’an and Islamic tradition.”


28 posted on 09/28/2013 1:23:48 PM PDT by freedom462
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To: freedom462

I note - this has nothing to do with being pro gay agenda. I am as opposed to the gay agenda as anyone on FR. Especially since being in favor of free speech by nature makes you anti gay agenda, since we all know that the gay agenda is all about snuffing out free speech whenever it can.


29 posted on 09/28/2013 1:25:18 PM PDT by freedom462
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