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To: ConservativeMan55; All

Dr. Coburn is a “fiscal hawk.” He is NOT for OBAMACARE as a Senator or Physician. However, he is a realist that writes:

“The current “Defund Obamacare” campaign, however, is based on a false promise that has been used by special interest groups to bolster political careers instead of focusing on smart strategies that can actually weaken and destroy Obamacare. By coupling the issue with the CR, these groups are telling the American people that Republicans in Congress can actually defund Obamacare by not voting for the CR or by allowing the government to shut down. This is simply not true. Simply put: we cannot defund or replace Obamacare completely until we have a Republican supermajority in the House and Senate that can override a Presidential veto. Even then, Dr. Coburn questions if we could obtain all 67 votes in the Senate needed to override a veto. Additionally, the Congressional Research Service (CRS) issued a report which concluded that even if the government were to be shutdown, Obamacare would still live on, not least of because the power to continue its implementation would be given to President Obama. Again, if a shutdown occurred, Obamacare would remain nearly fully funded and implementation of the exchanges would still continue on October 1, 2013.”

The concept of shutting down the government (which Republicans WILL be blamed for) is just not viable. In Oklahoma, where Coburn is from, a GREAT many people directly or indirectly get therr pay from the Federal Government. When those folks start screaming about not getting paid....it will cause GOP members to fold.

I do not like that we cannot stop the debacle of Obamacare...but Dr. Coburn is right.

All a government shutdown will do is hurt good people, but will not stop Obamacare. It will remain.

I know there are anarchists on FR that want to totally kill any federal government....not just Obamacare. They keep pushing ridiculous agendas that aren’t in any reasonable person’s interests.

Folks, we MUST get super control of both the House and Senate to negate Mr. Obama’s last two years. We will not get it by ticking off millions of voters by a government shutdown...it is a bad strategy. I trully wished it could work, but it cannot. To paraphrase with Dr. Coburn says elsewhere, you do not effectively take a hostage unless you are truly willing to kill the hostage. Except for extremists, no reasonable Republican is willing to destroy the government/country to stop Obamacare. So, why cause an unpopular disruption that will NOT work....and just make the POTUS more popular? It is a bad idea.


31 posted on 09/27/2013 5:43:45 PM PDT by Sola Veritas (Trying to speak truth - not always with the best grammar or spelling)
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To: Sola Veritas
that has been used by special interest groups

And what, pray tell, are these "special interest groups"? Empty rhetoric.

32 posted on 09/27/2013 5:46:43 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious!)
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To: Sola Veritas
many people directly or indirectly get therr pay from the Federal Government. When those folks start screaming about not getting paid....it will cause GOP members to fold.

Tell them "YOU'RE FIRED!...STFU!"

33 posted on 09/27/2013 5:47:10 PM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER (Hey RATS! Control your murdering FREAKS!)
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To: Sola Veritas

Wrong...

You cannot be a “Fiscal Hawk” and then support one of the biggest expansions of government in the history of the US

Senator Coburn supports ObamaCare....this is not debateable


36 posted on 09/27/2013 6:31:02 PM PDT by SeminoleCounty (Unemployment is so high...its getting harder for Obama to job people anymore)
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To: Sola Veritas
Folks, we MUST get super control of both the House and Senate

The R's always say that however, I remember a time when we DID give them House, Senate and Presidency. THEY WASTED IT!!!!!!

The R's increased Government spending like crazy, did they cut NGO's that spend taxpayer money on bringing down the USA? NO

Did the R's cut government departments? NO

Did they balance the spending, yes for that time but not pass a balanced budget amendment which we really could use now.

And after seeing 25 R's betray us this way when if they will stand TOGETHER like the D's do all the time, we could have pushed this fight a lot further down the road

and Sola, for you to keep saying that it would shut the Government down after funding all of it, is just a Dem talking point. You are verbose but a name caller please stop with the name calling.

66 posted on 09/28/2013 6:26:55 AM PDT by The Bat Lady (Obama is fundamentally transforming the nation from the Constitution.)
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