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ATF out of loop during Navy Yard investigation
cbs ^ | 9/22/13 | staff

Posted on 09/22/2013 9:28:15 AM PDT by Nachum

Within hours of the Navy Yard shootings, the FBI had traced the gunman's recent shotgun purchase and sent agents to the shop in northern Virginia where he bought it. Left out of the loop was the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, a surprising snub between top U.S. law enforcement agencies that comes as the ATF struggles to show its relevance in Washington.

The ATF is the federal agency in charge of tracing guns used in crimes, including the military-style semi-automatic rifle used in rampage at a Connecticut school last year, a similar rifle used in the deadly shooting at a Colorado movie theater and a handgun used to kill six people and critically wound a congresswoman, among others, outside a grocery store in Tucson, Ariz.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: atf; guncontrol; investigation; loop; navy; navyyardshooting; secondamendment
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1 posted on 09/22/2013 9:28:15 AM PDT by Nachum
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To: Jet Jaguar; NorwegianViking; ExTexasRedhead; HollyB; FromLori; EricTheRed_VocalMinority; ...

The list, Ping

Let me know if you would like to be on or off the ping list

http://www.nachumlist.com/


2 posted on 09/22/2013 9:28:40 AM PDT by Nachum (I am Breitbartacus!)
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To: Nachum

Buy them a chain of convenience stores.


3 posted on 09/22/2013 9:29:13 AM PDT by Paladin2 (h)
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To: Paladin2

Odd, I remember seeing ATF on the scence, 2 heavily armed members with ATF patches on their upper sleeves.


4 posted on 09/22/2013 9:33:03 AM PDT by seeker41 (take your country back by whatever means necessary)
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To: Nachum

Most functions of the BATFE can be handled by the FBI. I don’t see a purpose for it. The only legitimate function of the BATFE is the investigation of explosives. The other three letters of their acronym should be left up to the states and the people.


5 posted on 09/22/2013 9:33:10 AM PDT by 3Fingas (Sons and Daughters for Freedom and Rededicaton to the Principles of the U.S. Constitution)
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To: Nachum

“The ATF is the federal agency in charge of tracing guns used in crimes, including the military-style semi-automatic rifle used in rampage at a Connecticut school last year, a similar rifle used in the deadly shooting at a Colorado movie theater and a handgun used to kill six people and critically wound a congresswoman, among others, outside a grocery store in Tucson, Ariz.”

And the firearm used to kill agent Brian Terry.
Whoops sorry disregard this. Your government is there to protect you.OK?


6 posted on 09/22/2013 9:39:58 AM PDT by Recompennation (Constitutional protection for all not just selectively for Democrats.)
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To: Nachum

ATF ignored. CERT team ordered off the site. Reports that the same company that vetted Snowden also vetted the Navy Yard shooter.

Lots of loose ends need to be tied up. The Chicago Plumbers are about to get busy.


7 posted on 09/22/2013 9:44:13 AM PDT by Old Sarge (Opinions are like orgasms: only mine count, and I couldn't care less if you have one...)
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Had to add this Massacre under “Working Theories”

http://www.nachumlist.com/deadpool.htm


8 posted on 09/22/2013 9:50:45 AM PDT by Nachum (I am Breitbartacus!)
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To: Nachum

It’s probably just easier for them to trace the guns when they have supplied them to the shooters. I think I read that this guy bought his from a legitimate source, not the ATF.


9 posted on 09/22/2013 9:53:15 AM PDT by Colorado Doug (Now I know how the Indians felt to be sold out for a few beads and trinkets)
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To: Nachum
Why was “military-style semi-automatic rifle” included in this article”? All reliable accounts indicate the bad guy used a pump action shotgun.
10 posted on 09/22/2013 9:56:11 AM PDT by Buffalo Head (Illigitimi non carborundum)
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The media have been tasked with generating lots of smoke and dissonance, to obscure the reality that someone ordered the quick response force to go away, early in the shooting spree, thus raising the death count to a more useful level for propaganda purposes.


11 posted on 09/22/2013 9:59:41 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: Nachum

Find the next Waco and get to the of the food chain again...


12 posted on 09/22/2013 10:06:22 AM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: Buffalo Head
you know why...
13 posted on 09/22/2013 10:10:33 AM PDT by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -vvv- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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Everybody knows that the ATF is ONLY there as a means to to comfiscate ALL firarms when they (Yes, the “they”) feel the time is right.
Yeah, EVERYBODY.
Meanwhile, they build their orginzation—and wait.
They are not worth the proverbial bucket of warm spit—and EVERYBODY knows that as well.


14 posted on 09/22/2013 10:52:19 AM PDT by Flintlock ("The redcoats are coming" -- TO SEIZE OUR GUNS!!--Paul Revere)
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That file just keeps growing, don’t it?


15 posted on 09/22/2013 10:54:29 AM PDT by Old Sarge (Opinions are like orgasms: only mine count, and I couldn't care less if you have one...)
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someone ordered the quick response force to go away, early in the shooting spree, thus raising the death count to a more useful level for propaganda purposes.

16 posted on 09/22/2013 11:01:06 AM PDT by Old Sarge (Opinions are like orgasms: only mine count, and I couldn't care less if you have one...)
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To: Old Sarge
That file just keeps growing, don’t it?

It is now the most visited page on the site :(

17 posted on 09/22/2013 11:03:12 AM PDT by Nachum (I am Breitbartacus!)
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The ATF screwed the pooch with “Fast and Furious’ then when the CIA took their advice on how to run gins in Benghazi, well we know how that went. So now they’ve lost their badge creed.

What the ATF needs is some high profile operation where they can show off in front of the news cameras. Like maybe they can attack a religious compound somewhere with a news team in tow.


18 posted on 09/22/2013 11:04:03 AM PDT by fella ("As it was before Noah, so shall it be again,")
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someone ordered the quick response force to go away, early in the shooting spree, thus raising the death count to a more useful level for propaganda purposes.

The truth will out eventually. Even the Rosenbergs we're outed upon the release of the Verona Project. To think that all emergency bands aren't monitored and recorded in the Washington area begs credulity. I'd bet there are multiple independent copies out there.

19 posted on 09/22/2013 11:19:03 AM PDT by glorgau
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100%!!!
20 posted on 09/22/2013 11:20:26 AM PDT by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -vvv- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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