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To: HiTech RedNeck

You really don’t understand, I am a conservative, my sole interest is in advancing three legged conservative traditional America and blocking this 50 year move to the left on social issues.

I am your opposition, a conservative, a social conservative.

This year the military accepted homosexuality in the military and accepted marriage equality of homosexuals who are married legally in states that allow it.

You want to promote your agenda without actually admitting to your agenda.


388 posted on 09/20/2013 10:02:18 PM PDT by ansel12 ( 'I'm on That New Obama Diet... Every Day I Let Vladimir Putin Eat My Lunch' .)
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To: ansel12

My “agenda” is to fold heaven back into earthly affairs even if that slaughters some worldly conservative sacred cows. But it will also slaughter a lot of liberal sacred cows too, it’s not like God just picks on you guys so full of yourselves.

It’s because of robust faith in God, for instance, that sumptuary laws about “demon [name the substance]” were NOT CONSIDERED NEEDED in George Washington’s time! Getting high gratuitously (as opposed to side effects of genuinely intended medicinal use) was frowned upon because that blasphemed all manner of divine purposes for mankind, purposes that once mankind acknowledged.

Relegating God off to the realm of “mere religion” is exactly what put America in the sad spot it is in today. And you want to perpetuate that!


428 posted on 09/21/2013 9:55:22 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (The Lion of Judah will roar again if you give him a big hug and a cheer and mean it. See my page.)
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To: ansel12
A good writeup on the actual state of "traditional" society:
It was fascinating to witness the shock on the Internet among theonomists and some Neo-Cals over a suggestion I made a few years ago that as a political libertarian I leaned toward the government not seeking to punish sexual perversity such as adultery, homosexuality or bestiality; that some things are better left to God to judge. My point was simply to say there is freedom for Christians to disagree on how government should enforce against these types of perversions.

When one does a little research one learns that Americans have always sought criminal enforcement when human beings are physically harmed or forced against their consent to engage in sexual related activities. But in matters of adultery, fornication, homosexuality and bestiality, that has not been the case.

Often conservatives lament how far we’ve come from the time in America when sins like sodomy and the like carried swift penalties, even the death penalty. But a look at the actually history paints a very different picture. Though laws in the colonies usually did prohibit perversions like sodomy and bestiality, rarely were these laws enforced. It seems in the U.S. there has been a libertarian zeitgeist when it comes to sexual matters; though these sexually-related sins remained on the books for a few centuries, and in some states they still remain, they were rarely, if ever, enforced.

Historians can only find five to ten instances of executions for sodomy or bestiality throughout the entire seventeenth century in the Untied States, even though the penalty for both was often death. And it was not because townspeople were unaware that there were men sleeping with other men, or being perverse with animals; the literature shows the people of a town knew something fishy was going on between Frank and Henry. But both government authorities and local people were more content to gossip about it than seek to enforce any civil penalties.

Americans in the 18th century were even less likely to enforce sodomy laws. I could find only one known case during the entire 18th century of death for sodomy – a slave named Mingo was convicted of “forcible buggery.”...

(Emphasis added -- it's easier to read and take that bit to heart than to have all your outfits altered to accomodate a lightning rod.)
445 posted on 09/23/2013 8:37:45 AM PDT by shego
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