They would have needed more than a few AK-47's.
OTOH, If they were muslim terrorists they would have Obama sending them some really good weapons.
Posted on 09/07/2013 6:14:03 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
They would have needed more than a few AK-47's.
OTOH, If they were muslim terrorists they would have Obama sending them some really good weapons.
Reading Lily’s fabulous story and looking at the pictures of the tanks reminds me of the old tired argument of lefties that goes something like “......well, uh, why do you need a machine gun or a thirty round clip.......why not just five rounds?” Or, “you don’t need a machine gun to kill a deer!” Answer: “Well, you leftist bastard, if you (government) have a machine guy, I need one!” If you (government) have a tank, I need one and so on........where does it stop? I don’t know. Like even Scalia says, “nukes???........maybe”. When asked, “he didn’t know and would have to think about it”.
There’s a fight coming guys/gals. America is different than Europe. We are not passivists. Like China, California is already banging on doors and confiscating guns. Apparently with impunity.
Sounds like New Jersey.
Thanks. That’s the picture that sprang to mind for me.
“Guns” in the hands of the people wouldn’t do much against that column. Except get the people killed.
The gentleman in the pic is insanely courageous, but the real issue was the unwillingness of the troops in the tanks to kill him or others of “the people.” Which is why the Party had to bring in troops from another area to commit the massacre.
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In every system of government, there are poor and there are rich. In communism, you have to be evil to be rich.
“And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family? Or if, during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat there in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand?... The Organs would very quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin’s thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt! If...if...We didn’t love freedom enough. And even more – we had no awareness of the real situation.... We purely and simply deserved everything that happened afterward.”
Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn
Chinese and Americans are two different people with two different historical experience. When true conservatives say Americans are unique I agree. The US is a very blessed nation that we are found on a continent plentiful in resources, large landmass with two large ocean barriers. We never had a powerful predatory neighbor since the War of 1812 and Mexican War. Left unmolested Americans can develop liberty and not worry about security except in a time of war. Not too many nations begin with this geographical and strategic advantage. Private gun owners play a role in augmenting US forces via state militias, guns were a tool for self defense and law on the frontier (which developed a bulk of the American culture). Guns and gun owners were a positive experience for American society and politics. It was such a positive experience the Second Amendment is part and remain part of the US Constitution. Even today despite crime and mass shootings Americans still support gun ownership by a wide majority.
China’s experience with gun ownership is different. China went through national psychological trauma after the first two Opium Wars when they realize they were no longer the super power of the world that smaller technological advance European powers rule the world and were making demands from China on access of markets, troop bases and special concessions for their merchants who eventual live in China. Attempts to modernize and reform by officials in the Manchu Dynasty were crushed while Western powers were openly taking control of China and colonizing her. Eventually reformers had to rebel and overthrow the Manchu rulers and replace it with an American style republic with an exact copy of the US
Constitution in 1911. This was China’s first foray into democracy. The sad part was it failed. China’s wealth was concentrated in the upper 1 percent. Reform meant sharing knowledge, economic and political power with the remaining 99 percent poor China. It meant the upper class will not have dominance, privilege like the imperial past, it meant they will have social and economical competitors. Reform was opposed using the legal processes of democracy, and when that failed private armies were raised by the rich to take over regions and oppose gov policies. In other words democracy and private gun ownership equals chaos. Both kept China weak at a very critical moment in her history as foreign powers (Japan and Russia) grew bolder at China’s weakness to openly invade and colonize her. In the end it took a bitter/brutal Japanese invasion to unhinge China’s internal fighting which resulted in the Communist takeover of China. That was China’s experience with democracy and private gun ownership. Both help create chaos and national indecisiveness. Today the average Chinese want democracy to battle government corruption and abuse. Many in China are not ready to embrace overall democracy like the US because it will result in Tibet, Sanjing and Inner Mongolia (combined equal 60 percent of China land mass) declaring independence and separation from China. Given that fear, the last thing an average Chinese wants is every Chinese (including Mongolians, Tibetans, Uighurs) have access to private gun ownership. Would guns have prevented Tainamen Square? Maybe but it also would have caused civil wars and warlords before that.
Perhaps. But the families of those killed by the tanks can use their guns to kill the bureaucrats that are enslaving them.
Sound familiar? We seem to be at least halfway there!
Which raises the concern about UN, Russian and other foreign troops "training" in the U.S. They wouldn't hesitate like many of our own would.
Just what I've been saying all along; when the SHTF, first terminate the people GIVING THE ORDERS.
“In every system of government, there are poor and there are rich.”
Perhaps. However, most of the American “poor” would be considered “rich” in most of the rest of the world.
Of course, very, very few people in China ever had private guns. Even from 1911 to 1936, there were so few guns that the armies opposing the Japanese (just a tiny fraction of the population) often only had one gun for five people.
It is true that a gun culture has to be learned. I see many pictures of Chinese students being taught how to use guns by training with air rifles.
Perhaps this is something that can be built on for the future. I am doubtful, though. Once a people have been disarmed, any government is highly reluctant to allow them arms.
Racist/s
I have looked for references to the implementation of a copy of the American Constitution in the revolution of 1911 or anywhere in Chinese history, but have been unable to find any.
Could you please direct me to a source that references it?
Sun Yat Sen actually hired an American to help draft the Chinese Republic Constitution. The 1911 Republic of China constitution was based on the US one. There are a number of books written about Sun Yat Sen and fall of the Republic which degenerated into warlord period. He is esteemed by the Communist Chinese as well as the Nationalist Chinese. References to the 1911 Revolution written by the Communist will point out the necessity of the revolt against the Manchus and how it failed, nothing will be recorded on his attempts to recreate an American style Republic. The Nationalists will write about that aspect of the revolution and government.
Until the Chicoms and/or Han Chinese resolve those areas amicably, they won't sleep well, IMHO.
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