Obama issues new executive orders against guns (While we weren't looking....)

The Washington Times ^ | August 29, 2013 | Thomas Sowell

[yoe]

President Obama ordered two more executive actions Thursday to restrict guns, banning the re-importation of military surplus firearms to private entities and proposing a regulation that would close a loophole in background checks.

Also, the administration said it will deny requests to bring military-grade firearms back into the U.S. to private entities, with a few exceptions, such as for museums. Currently, when the U.S. provides military firearms to its allies, either as direct commercial sales or through the foreign military sales or military assistance programs, those firearms may not be imported back into the United States without U.S. government approval.

[Bikkuri]

How the heck did you get your hands on a BAR?

[Kip Russell]

How the heck did you get your hands on a BAR?

It was back in the '90s...a local gun shop had number of full auto weapons that you could rent, to shoot on their range. There are a growing number of businesses in Las Vegas that do that today.

Anyway, they had (among other things) an Uzi, an MP5, and a BAR available. Not a hard decision to make!

[cyn]

Nice post (always!). Also:

Gun-Toting Women are on the Rise -- http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/3061705/posts

Armed and Angry about Regulation: Women Gun Owners -- http://truth-out.org/news/item/15314-armed-and-angry-about-regulation-women-gun-owners

[Bikkuri]

Dang, sounds nice :) but I would have stayed away fro the Uzi.. BAR, if I wanted power (and a really sore shoulder), and I love the MP5... but it’s no good over about 15-75 feet (depending on the barrel length.. and your site.. and single/burst)..

(BTW, think we accidentally hijacked the thread :/ .. sorry :D)

[Kip Russell]

Dang, sounds nice :) but I would have stayed away fro the Uzi.. BAR, if I wanted power (and a really sore shoulder), and I love the MP5...

I did try the Uzi, but it was a jam-o-matic (bad conversion? worn out?), so I switched to the MP5. Reliable as all get-out, but after a couple of mags I switched to the BAR. And yes, it did kick like a mule!

but it’s no good over about 15-75 feet (depending on the barrel length.. and your site.. and single/burst)..

I'm not so sure about it being that short ranged...it fires from a closed bolt, so it should be accurate to at least 50 yards.

(BTW, think we accidentally hijacked the thread :/ .. sorry :D)

Thread spread happens.

[Charles Martel]

It specifically exempts the US gov't -- so those 87,000 Garands reported to be in storage in South Korea can still make their way back, eventually. The number of firearms effected fy this must be really, really, really small.

If memory serves, that batch of M1 Garands was not being returned to the DOD warehouses; it was being sold to the highest commercial bidder. Rumor has it that Century Arms is the importer, but so far the entire thing has been fairly quiet with most news coming from a handful of gun-forum guys who can read the Korean websites and translate.

I'm not sure how many more Garands are out there, but this new policy does impact South Korea beyond the lot that has already been sold. They have something like 700,000 (!!) M1 Carbines mothballed. We'll be lucky to get any as spare parts.

[familyop]

Bikkuri wrote, in comment #56:
"When I came into service 1989, we were issued the AR (no auto).."

Bikkuri wrote, in comment #59:
"me being E13 (artillery advisor) on the battlefield, was no problem."

I've never heard of semi-auto ARs being issued in the Army, although some full-auto rifles had old receivers marked AR-15 in 1989. Never heard of an enlisted pay grade above E-9, either.

[familyop]

"I can see full auto on a rifle at very close range. House to house fighting, in other words.

Other than that...nope. Stick to semi-auto."

Correct. Fully automatic rifles would be effective in only very thick cover and other rare, close circumstances in real warfare. In most close range civilian defense situations, a shotgun would probably be better, in my opinion.

Semi-auto is more effective for most longer range defense situations (which long range civilian situations are also extremely rare). Besides, firing full auto, for most, looks like more fun in the movies than it is in reality (very boring, in my opinion--almost as boring as demo classes and ranges in the Army).

[Red in Blue PA]

Meanwhile......

New Black Panther leader’s gun charges dropped

Gun charges against a new Black Panther Party leader have been dropped, court officials said.
After pleading guilty in Gwinnett County last year to writing a bad check for $3,000, a felony, Hashim Nzinga was arrested for selling a gun at a DeKalb County pawn shop, authorities said.
It is illegal in Georgia for a convicted felon to have a gun, and Nzinga, 49, was charged with possession of a firearm by a convicted felon and arrested on March 26.

http://www.ajc.com/news/news/crime-law/new-black-panther-leaders-gun-charges-dropped/nZfXJ/

[Bikkuri]

Sorry.. meant MOS Echo13 (E13)... I was E-5 :p

Uhm.. we had no full auto when I came in (Only the 3 shot burst, or single shot option).. they were all Colt AR-15s.. M-16s were not a choice anymore.

[Bikkuri]

Ping... (forgot to add you from the last reply.. (apologies..)

[Kickass Conservative]

Compliance with Tyranny is Treason.

[doorgunner69]

We did familiarization fire with the BAR in Dec 1965 at Camp Pendleton during ITR. Great fun, but many of the magazines had worn out springs and would not feed worth a darn. Heavy sucker, got to have enormous respect for the guys that humped them and 20 round magazines full of .30-06.

At that ancient time, there were several WWII era weapons we got to play with, like the flame thrower and 3.5" Bazooka. Great stuff for teenagers too young to vote or drink...............

[nucresearch]

Time to take the gloves off entirely on gun rights. Frankly, out in the real world non-liberals sometimes find themselves caving to public pressure. I currently work in academia so I understand the pressure some people may feel to at least say publicly that they support “common sense” gun legislation and background checks. With Obama being this out of control about it, we now have the means by which we can explain that we cannot give even an inch on run rights, because when it comes to gun rights, you give a give a gov’t an inch and they will take miles from you by force. If nothing else, Obama has at least given us real proof we can use the next time he get hounded at work, among friends and relatives or anywhere else as to why we don’t support background checks and “common sense” legislation.

[TigersEye]

I know what their strategy is. These two EOs are about the weakest efforts they have made in 40 years. IMPOTUS is losing.

[TigersEye]

Thanks for the links, cyn. Bookmarked! I am happy to see that trend. More 2nd A. supporters, less victims and more backup on the street when the bad guys start feeling froggy.

[lentulusgracchus]

Compliance with Tyranny is Treason.

I like the other one, too: "Resistance to tyranny is obedience to God!"

Has a nice ring to it.

[cyn]

We’ve had some good times shooting with enthusiastic eager-to-learn new shooters.

A great website: http://www.corneredcat.com — “If you’ve got to fight, fight like a cornered cat.”

// “Some folks say the most dangerous place in the world is between a Mama Bear and her cubs. It may be so. I’ve never met a Mama Bear, myself.

The most dangerous place I ever stood was between a cornered cat and an open door.” //

[cyn]

I found out about Kathy Jackson and http://www.corneredcat.com here on FR, as I do so many things. For all I know, I may have gotten it from you! :->

[Kenny Bunk]

Pure Theater

In principle, you are correct. In practice, you are 180 degrees out. What happens is that an Executive Order is is immediately seized upon by the bureaucracy to create "Plans," "Programs," "Processes" ... which become codified in operating regulations. In a week, the concerned agency will be carrying them out. BATF, HSA, INS, etc.

Then, in order to halt the above, suit must be brought. It will be fought by the DOJ on behalf of the "defendants," the US Government.

Yes, Executive Orders do not have the force of law. It's much worse than that. They have inexorable bureaucratic power behind them, forcing those whose rights have been deprived into long, expensive litigation with absolutely no certain outcome.