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To: RKBA Democrat
I would agree that our foreign policy has been a muddle since January of 1989.

I agree but I am ashamed to admit that I have come to that conclusion late as one who was in support of the Iraq war and now realize that it was strategically impossible to bring democracy to a culture which is not ready for it. Ditto Afghanistan.

I agree with your views about Israel and have posted to that effect for years. I am unaware of the demographic difficulties-do you mean that they are simply admitting to many Palestinians?

I share your overall pessimism but I also believe in white as well as black swans.


46 posted on 08/31/2013 1:42:40 PM PDT by nathanbedford ("Attack, repeat, attack!" Bull Halsey)
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To: nathanbedford
I agree but I am ashamed to admit that I have come to that conclusion late as one who was in support of the Iraq war and now realize that it was strategically impossible to bring democracy to a culture which is not ready for it. Ditto Afghanistan.

I am right there with you....my eyes have been opened.

48 posted on 08/31/2013 1:44:31 PM PDT by dfwgator
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“I agree with your views about Israel and have posted to that effect for years. I am unaware of the demographic difficulties-do you mean that they are simply admitting to many Palestinians?”

No. Israel has a large population of indigenous Arabs. The Palestinians are the descendants of the Arabs who left during the wars in the 1940’s. Some Arabs chose to stay and stick it out within Israel and are Israeli citizens today. Although they are currently a minority of the population, their birthrates are much higher than those of the Jewish population.


50 posted on 08/31/2013 1:52:17 PM PDT by RKBA Democrat (Power disintegrates when people withdraw their obedience and support)
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PS I want to go into the issue of Iraq a little more, but am time limited right now, but will try to remember to come back to it later.

I agreed with the second gulf war, up until Saddam was hanged.


56 posted on 08/31/2013 2:03:27 PM PDT by RKBA Democrat (Power disintegrates when people withdraw their obedience and support)
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“I agree but I am ashamed to admit that I have come to that conclusion late as one who was in support of the Iraq war and now realize that it was strategically impossible to bring democracy to a culture which is not ready for it.”

I remain in support of the initial phases of the second Iraq war. Taking out saddam was the right thing to do. Our mistake was in staying in Iraq more than 20 minutes after saddam was swinging from the end of a rope.

Saddam clearly had at least one variety of WMDs at his disposal and likely/possibly had the means to deliver them in the US. He was a dangerous psychopath and needed to be taken out in order to defend the American people. What I find odd is that it took so much arm twisting to get congress to buy off on it.


86 posted on 08/31/2013 6:39:16 PM PDT by RKBA Democrat (Power disintegrates when people withdraw their obedience and support)
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