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To: naturalman1975

Like I said, for you being a guy who claims to be a professional historian, you sure don’t post like one.

I’m not claiming anything, you are claiming the media and this article is wrong, like post 35 said, post the evidence and we can challenge the article.

Your speculation and personal thoughts isn’t that evidence.


106 posted on 08/31/2013 5:45:42 PM PDT by ansel12 (Obama-[obamacare] "used to be a Republican idea. There's a governor of Massachusetts who set it up.")
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To: ansel12
I think the onus should be on the media to post evidence for their assertions. They are providing none at all for their claim this is a violation of protocol - and I don't believe they can, because it is not.

You seem to want those who disagree to provide evidence that could not possibly exist. No Pope has never met with a Queen from a Moslem nation before - or more accurately, having checked for any evidence of any previous meeting between a Pope, and the Queens of Bahrain, Brunei, Malaysia, Jordan, Saudi Arabia, or Kuwait (the Islamic Monarchies that have Queens) - no such evidence seems to be available and such evidence should be available if they occurred - so it is impossible for anybody to show evidence that he treated such people differently in the past. It's the first time he has ever met with them.

So we cannot look for Islamic Queens as any type of precedence. But that doesn't really matter because in diplomatic protocol, religion is not relevant - diplomatic protocols do not differ because of the religion involved. So the question is have Popes bowed to other Queens - or other equivalent Heads of State. I know that Pope John Paul II did bow to Queen Elizabeth II on their first meeting in 1980, because I have seen video footage of that meeting. I have checked but due to the fact it occurred thirty three years ago, there's very little video footage and only a few images of that visit on line, and I can't find any at all of the actual moment they met, but I have seen it. In terms of bowing to other Heads of State, there are photos available of Pope John XXII bowing to President Dwight D. Eisenhower, on December 6th, 1959. Eisenhower is also bowing. It is clearly not unprecedented for a Pope to bow to another person of equal diplomatic rank.

112 posted on 08/31/2013 7:58:14 PM PDT by naturalman1975 ("America was under attack. Australia was immediately there to help." - John Winston Howard)
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