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To: DiogenesLamp
Let's not forget Mr. John Rodman and another Florida connection.

From a footnote to letter from Jefferson to Rodman.

"John Rodman (1775–1847) was a merchant in New York City by 1801. He spent three years in France before returning to New York City by 1812 to practice law. Rodman served as a major of artillery during the war of 1812 and in 1814 published a translation of the commercial code of France. He was appointed the state’s district attorney for the city and county of New York in 1815 and served until 1817, when he resigned and spent another year in France. In 1821 James Monroe appointed Rodman customs collector for the port of Saint Augustine, Florida, and he held this position until 1842. In Florida, Rodman continued to practice law and also served as an alderman for Saint Augustine and a prosecuting attorney for Saint Johns County."

http://founders.archives.gov/documents/Jefferson/03-04-02-0552

Rodman was also well acquainted with David Bailie Warden (Armstrong's secretary)

"Warden’s friend, John Rodman, wrote from New York: “I have read your book on Consular establishments … it is really a very valuable treatise and does you great credit …”." Rodman to Warden, 28 October 1814. Reel 2, Warden Paper, MdHS in David Bailie Warden and the Development of Consular Law.

http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=1661020

808 posted on 09/06/2013 8:28:50 AM PDT by 4Zoltan
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To: 4Zoltan
Oh, and regarding your Florida connection conjecture, here is another interesting bit of coincidence.

To James Madison from Valentin de Foronda, 2 December 1808 Muy Señor mio: Philada. 2. de Diciembre de 1808.

Tengo la honra de rêmitír á V.S. el memoríal adjunto de un Español, persuadído á que es Justa su demanda.

V.S. notará que funda su pretensíon sobr él tratado concluído entre las dos Nacíones, y que la palabra ní detencíon, es muy notable. Los caudales que tiene detenidos aquí por el embargo messarece que tiene derecho á sacarlos; y como no los puede sacar, sino ìmítando à los Amerícanos que han ido à las Colonias Españolas, que han extraido frutos, usando de la misma lícencia, parece que podría sacarlos tambien en frutos; pero se contenta con sacarlos dexando aquì el dínero, por dos barcos; evitando por este medío que se púdran en los Ríos, y fomentando la construccion, que es tan beneficiosa a estos Estados.

Es de observar, que los Españoles podrian àproximarse á estos Puertos, con el obgeto de sus negocíacíones; y que los Amerícanos no podían acercarse sin pasaportes, ó vìveres à los nros., y qe. con todo han sído tan generosos nros. Gobernadores, que no los han decomísado hasta ahora, segun las Leyes, y que segun ellas deberìan haberlo hecho. Sí Cavallero Madison, los Españoles son generosos con este Pays, al mismo tiempo qe. se trata de hambrearlos, como lo prueba el nó haberle decomísado èl; ínnumero de Barcos, que ha ído despues del embargo, solo à la Ysla de Cu[ba] y que no lo han hecho; y como lo prueba su conducta en el Río de Sta. María, quando no se les permitia pasarlo, para llevarse una líbra de pan, pues env[ia]ban socorros de dínero, proporcíonados à su pob[re]za, para el alívío de sus Vecinos los Amerícanos, en la fíebre que los perseguia. Lease Poulson, [no]víembre 9. en que copía una carta de Sta. Mar[ía] que díce así: "It would be the hìghest íngratitud[e] to pass unnotíced the magnanimous, human[e] & generous conduct of our neíghbors in Florida. On hearing of our dístress, twelve gentlmen, then at the house of Mr. M’Clure on Amal[ia] Ysland, subscribed the sum of one hundred [and] ninetyone Dollars, & immediately sent the [] ínclosed ín á Letter, of which á copy is subjoíne[d.] Contrast thís act of humanity with that of ou[r] own Citizens, who have been looking on & seein[g] our poor suffer, & to the great disgrace of ou[r] country, have been for these eight months past, using every means to starve these neig[h]bors, by descending to extreme líttleness in pr[e]venting even a loaf of bread, or a pound of fre[sh] beef to cross the river St. Marys." Me ofrezco, con todos los respetos debidos, a la obedíencia de V.S. y pido á Dios guê. su vida ms. as. B. L. M de VS su mas atento servidor

Valentin de Foronda

(1.) Para corroboracion de mi asertn, enviò el pedazo de Gazeta adjunto, en que Mr. Mumford, del Congreso, habla de la Generosidad Española.

Amelia Island appears to be on the North East end of Florida, a relatively short distance from South Carolina. Could this be the same McClure which Armstrong asserted had the Character of East Florida? How many McClures would have been running around in Florida about this time?

...He is at once the Cap. of an American registered Ship and a proprietor in East Florida, characters not very reconcileable.

Interesting.

851 posted on 09/11/2013 5:24:33 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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