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1 posted on 08/28/2013 8:45:24 AM PDT by Nero Germanicus
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Yes They had foresight and the very reason they designed it that way - was because of what we have now. O is not loyal to America/The Constitution. Once unwilling to follow it, it is always easier to never followed what they layout for us. And the results are - obamacare, illegal immigration, o not adhering to Congress and Congress doesn’t give a flip. One big circle downwards and we are reaping what liberals/commies/low level Americans sowed for us. Not enough voice and commitment from the good to overcome this evil that is allowed. I’m a believer in rules are rules and you don’t break them for ‘convenience’. Only pieces of s*** try to break them.


41 posted on 08/28/2013 9:31:57 AM PDT by presently no screen name
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Yes, they would.


49 posted on 08/28/2013 9:46:02 AM PDT by bgill (This reply was mined before it was posted.)
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“From beginning to end, the debate over Senator Ted Cruz and his birth certificate has been silly. Like the “birtherism” debate surrounding Barack Obama,”

I don’t believe in double standards. It seems this author doesn’t either. Bravo. Then again, he seems to think that one verdict fits all. I believe in evaluating each case on its merits. The topic of eligibility is not silly, IMO.

The eligibility standards should be applied uniformly to everyone, including George Romney, McCain, Cruz, and Obama. That does not mean that all these men were, or are, eligible.

“No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible ...”

This is not the easiest text to evaluate. The Heritage Guide to the Constitution discusses several positions on “natural born.” They seem to favor the inclusive view that either being born here, or being born of US parents, makes you “natural born.”

It is possible (likely?) that the birth certificate that Obama has posted is fake? Was he ever a US citizen? Was he born in Kenya of a Kenyan father? Was (is) he a citizen of Kenya? If Obama is a US citizen, did he lose his citizenship while in Indonesia? It is OK to ask these questions. I don’t know the answers.

I’d like to know the truth on these matters. Still, I see little impact either way. Let’s say that the Democrats stole the 1960 Presidential election. To me, the lesson is that we should not let this happen again. But JFK was, and Obama is, President. The bell can not be unrung.

On the other hand there is nothing wrong with tarnishing JFK’s and BHO’s reputations. There is nothing wrong with tarnishing the reputation of the Democratic party. If that party feels entitled to steal elections, the American people should know. If that party only has a selective interest in eligibility, the American people should know. Unfortunately, the US gets tarnished also. Well that is OK, if that is what is required to get the Republic back on track.


59 posted on 08/28/2013 10:20:25 AM PDT by ChessExpert (The unemployment rate was 4.5% when Democrats took control of Congress in 2006.)
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The Founding States made the Constitution amendable as evidenced by the Constituton’s Article V. So if patriots want Cruz to be president then they can quit sitting on their hands and make an amendment to repeal the relevant wording in 2.1.5.


61 posted on 08/28/2013 10:34:00 AM PDT by Amendment10
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See what I mean? New Thread, and who’s it about?


68 posted on 08/28/2013 11:55:13 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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I don't think that the Framers were even thinking about potential presidents born to American parents abroad. Their concern was naturalized citizens, and it was a lot more immediate and urgent.

A comment which overlooks the fact that anyone made a citizen by an act of law are themselves "naturalized citizens."

69 posted on 08/28/2013 11:56:36 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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Would the Founders Have Cared Where Ted Cruz Was Born?

Yes, of course they would care.

Why did the founders add the natural born citizen requirement only for presidential candidates? That question is well worth the time it takes to discover the answer.

Representative - No Person shall be a Representative who shall not have attained to the Age of twenty five Years, and been seven Years a Citizen of the United States

Senator - No Person shall be a Senator who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty Years, and been nine Years a Citizen of the United States,

President - No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.

Natural born doesn’t refer to the candidate’s place of birth; natural born refers to the place of birth of both of the candidate’s parents.

82 posted on 08/28/2013 1:22:11 PM PDT by MosesKnows (Love many, trust few, and always paddle your own canoe.)
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Ted Cruz - 2016
108 posted on 08/29/2013 8:32:02 AM PDT by Tau Food (Never give a sword to a man who can't dance.)
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The reference appears to ignore that the Founders were actually aware/thinking of the present and the future. I believe that in that day and age the possibility of an overseas birth was not out of the minds of the Founders who themselves were of and had ‘old country’ connections. I am also inclined to think/believe that they were wary of anyone born in a foreign country as to enduring allegiances. As such the Founders thought that the qualification ‘natural born’ would suffice. In today’s political world the qualification is take to mean to apply to any person of choice, especially Obama.


141 posted on 08/29/2013 3:25:09 PM PDT by noinfringers2
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