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To: Jeff Winston

“””according to the top authorities of the early United States who knew exactly what the Founding Fathers meant by “natural born citizen.”

“It is not necessary that a man should be born in this country, to be ‘a natural born citizen.’ It is only requisite that he should be a citizen by birth, and that is the case with all the children of citizens who have ever resided in this country, though born in a foreign country.”

- James Bayard, A Brief Exposition of the Constitution of the United States (1833)

The above quote was part of Bayard’s discussion of the qualifications to be President, and Presidential eligibility.

Bayard’s exposition of the Constitution was read and approved by the Great Chief Justice of the Supreme Court John Marshall, by the legendary Supreme Court Justice Joseph Story, and by the famous Chancellor James Kent, as well as other legal experts of the early United States.

Bayard himself was the grandson of Richard Bassett, United States Senator #1 and one of the 39 Delegates who Signed the Constitution.

And Bayard’s FATHER (who is also credited with brokering the deal that made Thomas Jefferson our 3rd President)was known to his peers in Congress as “HIGH PRIEST OF THE CONSTITUTION.”

Not one single person ever said that James Bayard was wrong about his understanding of what “natural born citizen” meant.”””

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SO glad you quoted Bayard as an expert, Jeff. That should make it so much easier for you to understand that even those born in the U.S. to an ALIEN father, were NOT U.S. citizens by birth:

U.S. Secretary of State Bayard determined Richard Greisser, though born in Ohio, was NOT born a U.S. citizen because Greisser’s father was an alien, a German subject at the time of Greisser’s birth. Bayard specifically stated that Greisser was at birth ‘SUBJECT TO A FOREIGN POWER,’ therefore NOT “subject to the jurisdiction of the United States” within the meaning of the Constitution.
http://books.google.com/books?id=wdgxAAAAIAAJ&printsec=frontcover&source=gbs_ge_summary_r&cad=0#v=onepage&q&f=false

If one born within the U.S. to an alien father isn’t even a U.S. citizen by birth, how can one born outside the U.S. to an alien father be a “natural born citizen?”

BOTH Obama and Cruz are Constitutionally INELIGIBLE due to their fathers’ status as aliens at the time of Obama’s and Cruz’s birth.

Plain as day.


246 posted on 08/27/2013 4:35:31 AM PDT by Rides3
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To: Rides3
SO glad you quoted Bayard as an expert, Jeff. That should make it so much easier for you to understand that even those born in the U.S. to an ALIEN father, were NOT U.S. citizens by birth:

U.S. Secretary of State Bayard determined Richard Greisser, though born in Ohio, was NOT born a U.S. citizen because Greisser’s father was an alien, a German subject at the time of Greisser’s birth. Bayard specifically stated that Greisser was at birth ‘SUBJECT TO A FOREIGN POWER,’ therefore NOT “subject to the jurisdiction of the United States” within the meaning of the Constitution.

Your quote has been discussed already, Rides.

First of all, it's yet another illustration of the complete historical incompetence of birthers. This is the second time birthers have brought up this quote, directly stating (the first time) or implying (the second time) that the quote was from the same person.

The quote you give wasn't from James Bayard. It was from US Secretary of State THOMAS Bayard, his son, and it was about half a century later.

Secondly (and more importantly) even THOMAS Bayard never stated that the child born on United States soil of an alien parent WHO LIVED HERE was anything but a natural born US citizen.

It seems to have been nothing more than an anti-birth-tourism position. If you moved to the United States and had a child here, that child was a natural born US citizen, even if the parents weren't. If you were TEMPORARILY VISITING the United States (according to the policy of Secretary of State Thomas Bayard) and had a child born here during that time, then no. That child, according to T. Bayard, (who was promptly taken back to Germany, by the way) was not a US citizen.

277 posted on 08/27/2013 11:27:32 AM PDT by Jeff Winston (Yeah, I think I could go with Cruz in 2016.)
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