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A Devastating Affirmative-Action Failure: Predictable Results from a Berkeley Case Study
National Review ^ | 08/26/2013 | Heather MacDonald

Posted on 08/26/2013 7:12:52 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

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To: MeshugeMikey

Imagine going through life as orangello


Urban myth (along with Lemongello). Never documented anywhere. Ever.

(And: “My friend’s brother is an emergency room doc and he swears...” doesn’t qualify as proof.)


101 posted on 08/26/2013 10:28:50 AM PDT by Atlas Sneezed (Universal Background Check -> Registration -> Confiscation -> Oppression -> Extermination)
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To: Flightdeck

“Two years at a JC probably could have better prepared him for a four year state college, which is not as demanding as a UC.”

UC is a state college.

I think he meant something like “Cal State ______” as opposed to “University of California at ____”.


102 posted on 08/26/2013 10:32:09 AM PDT by Atlas Sneezed (Universal Background Check -> Registration -> Confiscation -> Oppression -> Extermination)
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To: driftless2
But the fact is many of the kids are being cheated by the same people who think they’re helping them.

As a speechwriter for GWB, Michael Gerson coined the phrase "the soft bigotry of low expectations." Your observation is exactly what that phrase means. The do-gooders are destroying these kids by never letting them hear the words "that's not good enough".

103 posted on 08/26/2013 10:32:37 AM PDT by Paine in the Neck (Is John's moustache long enough YET?)
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To: Bon of Babble

It’s 2013 and there is a black dorm at Berkeley?


Like an Indian Reservation, it’s a tool of cultural genocide.


104 posted on 08/26/2013 10:34:26 AM PDT by Atlas Sneezed (Universal Background Check -> Registration -> Confiscation -> Oppression -> Extermination)
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To: Atlas Sneezed

Oranjello is indeed a fictitious name...invented as far as I know, by a Comic character Named Shirely Q. Liquor

“she” also claims to have a daughter named Gyno-Lotrimin!


105 posted on 08/26/2013 10:34:58 AM PDT by MeshugeMikey (Block Captain..Tyranny Response Team / al-Kilab Division)
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To: proxy_user

“The black guy who didn’t do so well reminds me of a couple of white guys I met in college, who were just educated beyond their mental abilities. They wrote similar types of papers full of big words with no clear concepts behind them.”

The term for them is ‘legacy admission’.

In that case, it proves a mathematical (statistical) phenomena - reversion to the mean.


106 posted on 08/26/2013 10:38:37 AM PDT by RinaseaofDs
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To: GeronL
He should have been a Plumbers Assistant...

One of the top theoretical physicists in the world was a journeyman plumber before he found his true calling.

107 posted on 08/26/2013 10:40:39 AM PDT by Calvin Locke
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To: Zhang Fei

I’ve made the IQ argument before. I’ve stated if IQ didn’t mean anything, we could go to NASA or other space centers and find rocket scientists with average IQs or worse. I don’t think we’d find that.


108 posted on 08/26/2013 10:54:31 AM PDT by driftless2
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To: RinaseaofDs

Not really. One of the guys I have in mind wanted to be a literary intellectual. He was very enthusiatstic, had read Northrup Frye and Wayne Booth in high school, and had a huge bookshelf full of advanced literary criticism. He was a Jewish guy from Long Island, went to a top high school and did very well, with high test scores.

But he was only moderately bright, so he just didn’t have the mental horsepower to actually understand the concepts. You really needed to be brilliant to do this stuff. All of the genuine literary intellectuals made fun of him behind his back.


109 posted on 08/26/2013 11:21:44 AM PDT by proxy_user
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To: Red Badger
So what happened to Kashawn?

He was replaced by his Asian counter-part who had excellent grades and was a capitalist.

Ka-Ching!

110 posted on 08/26/2013 11:32:11 AM PDT by techcor (leas)
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To: proxy_user

Jacques Barzun used to write about the decline of western civilization, and he cited intellectualism as one of the causes.

He was talking about the needless obfuscation of mostly scientific concepts that kept ‘ordinary’ people from supporting its advance. Von Braun enlisting Walt Disney to get ordinary tax payers excited about putting a man on the moon was an example of how to link very hard problem-solving to the imagination of the people who’d likely benefit the most.

When you talk about ‘literary criticism’, and having the real horsepower to do it, what exactly are we talking about, and how does you 11th grade high schooler who may want to do the same thing benefit?


111 posted on 08/26/2013 11:42:45 AM PDT by RinaseaofDs
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To: Red Badger
Which course gave him an A–, to pull his GPA over the top? Hint: It wasn’t College Writing.
112 posted on 08/26/2013 12:03:18 PM PDT by Calvin Locke
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To: RipSawyer
I recall a line in one of Erskine Caldwell’s books, something like, “Possession of a hammer don’t make of a man a carpenter.” Likewise possession of a degree does not make a person educated. The degree used to be awarded to signify the attainment of an education but now there seems to be little or no connection between the two.

And I would add "possession of a Nobel Prize" to that list.

113 posted on 08/26/2013 12:07:32 PM PDT by Albion Wilde ("Remember... the first revolutionary was Satan."--Russian Orthodox Archpriest Dmitry Smirnov)
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To: Soul of the South
“Sometimes we feel like we’re not wanted on campus,” Kashawn said, surrounded at a dinner table by several of his dorm mates...
...I had the impression that Berkeley was overrun with white liberals who worship at the altar of diversity and inclusion. This comment leads one to believe it is full of redneck racists.

Berkeley is so left-wing that it encouraged blacks to live in a blacks-only dorm in the name of identity politics, and then Kashawn and his dorm-mates wonder why they feel isolated!

Hello?

114 posted on 08/26/2013 12:13:29 PM PDT by Albion Wilde ("Remember... the first revolutionary was Satan."--Russian Orthodox Archpriest Dmitry Smirnov)
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To: Albion Wilde
"And I would add "possession of a Nobel Prize" to that list."

Don't confuse the Nobels given for "peace" and "literature" to those given for the science fields. Those are still very much given on merit. He who possesses a Nobel in chemistry, physics, medicine, etc. probably "is" a genius.

115 posted on 08/26/2013 12:18:17 PM PDT by Wonder Warthog
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To: winodog
"I would like to borrow that phrase ...be my guest sir...I am honored,
116 posted on 08/26/2013 12:26:02 PM PDT by virgil283 (When the sun spins, the cross appears, and the skies burn red)
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To: SeekAndFind

I agree. She is one of my few ‘must read’ writers. The takedown of AA encroachment in this article is priceless:
www.city-journal.org/2011/cjc0714hm.html


117 posted on 08/26/2013 12:26:25 PM PDT by pluvmantelo (Tuffy Gessling, George Zimmerman: They can crash at my pad anytime they like)
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To: Wonder Warthog
Don't confuse the Nobels given for "peace" and "literature" to those given for the science fields. Those are still very much given on merit.

I do agree with you there; and had the second thought after I posted, but didn't post a correction. Thanks for bringing it up.

118 posted on 08/26/2013 12:27:48 PM PDT by Albion Wilde ("Remember... the first revolutionary was Satan."--Russian Orthodox Archpriest Dmitry Smirnov)
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To: virgil283
I hated these classes because not one of them was relevant to a career but instead were foolish such as reading 'Beowulf' in old English, for one example. I saw no point of it and after many years of working I can verify I was right.

You sir, have hit the nail squarely on the head.

After 4 years of college, I have used the education I received in a myriad of ways.

Most notably, winning many games of Trivial Pursuit, and astounding my wife with my well-rounded education whilst we watch Jeopardy.

About the only thing that impressed potential employers was that I made it through The Citadel. Which is a wonderful place to be FROM and a miserable place to be....for most people.

Far be it from me to say that I was raised in a strict household with a career Army MP officer for a father....but my faculty advisor at The Citadel remarked to me that I was the only person he had ever seen who looked upon it as a party school.

119 posted on 08/26/2013 12:41:08 PM PDT by N. Theknow (Kennedys=Can't drive, can't ski, can't fly, can't skipper a boat, but they know what's best for you.)
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To: Albion Wilde
"Berkeley is so left-wing that it encouraged blacks to live in a blacks-only dorm in the name of identity politics, and then Kashawn and his dorm-mates wonder why they feel isolated!..Hello? "(post114).....That's the funniest comment ever....
120 posted on 08/26/2013 12:48:05 PM PDT by virgil283 (When the sun spins, the cross appears, and the skies burn red)
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