Posted on 08/25/2013 9:16:55 AM PDT by C. Edmund Wright
This morning we showed up at Moore Square at 9:00 a.m., just like we have done virtually every Saturday and Sunday for the last six years. We provide, without cost or obligation, hot coffee and a breakfast sandwich to anyone who wants one. We keep this promise to our community in cooperation with five different large suburban churches that help us with manpower and funding.
Today officers from Raleigh Police Department prevented us from doing our work, for the first time ever. An officer said, quite bluntly, that if we attempted to distribute food, we would be arrested.
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None of that is the point. The point is that the cops were arrogant and did not even bother to explain what laws they were enforcing. Can’t wait til this happens to you......
I was making a point about police arrogance and abuse in the name of big government. Sorry that was over your head. Kindergarten is back in session tomorrow. Bring your apple.....
Attempts to remove the stigma of living on the streets, intended to help people in that circumstance, has ultimately harmed more people precisely because the stigma has been removed, leading to more people living on the streets. There is such a thing as being too generous; anyone who has been to San Francisco in the past decade can see the consequences of it.
I have a strong distaste, even suspicion, of police heavy-handedness. This apparently was abrupt and without notice, yes. But was it heavy-handed? I don’t know that this rises to that level.
Show me that they were dispersed under threat of arrest for Christian ministry, I’ll be upset. Outside of that, it’s just another faction of do-goodery, this one being the government. Municipalities do it all the time, for grant money and a higher tax base if nothing else.
Which are the six large suburban churches that sponsored this? Mainline, North Raleigh?
Like others have said, we're discussing stuff here; no need to get nasty.
I have worked with the Raleigh parks folks before. There is a slim chance this is Christian bashing in origin. It is most likely a directive from senior park directors, the new mayor, or a certain councilmen. Moore square is considered the city’s crown jewel of downtown parks and they are revitalizing it and the surrounding area, pushing blacks and lower incomes out of their traditional ‘black mainstreet’. Basically it is the same thing that is happening in Harlem - liberal whites see high value land downtown and are snapping it up for high rise condos and other such urban hipster crap. And they don’t want any homeless or activities that support them, in the area. Do a little research, see which councilman owns land in the area or is on the pay of a local developer or architect. I know one that is and the firm, but cannot say it in a public forum. I am a Christian but honestly feel that is not the main driver here, it is greed.
listen homo. You FAILED to make a point about police arrogance. Fool. Big government? Asinine. This story is about pest control and something law enforcement should have been doing ages ago.
Vagrants have NO RIGHTS to infest city public places. What is difficult to understand about that, huh, stupid?
Get back to playing with yourself in the basement, you were much better off there.
In our city, the churches serve lunches in their basements. We also have a place where the homeless or anyone for that matter can go and get 3 square meals a day. So, I have to agree with your premise - serve the coffee and sandwiches from your church and I think all will be well. Plus, it gives those who wouldn’t ordinarily step inside the doors a view of the church facilities, should they decide to attend services. They can also hand out gospel tracts with their breakfast sandwiches.
I think your theory is almost certainly the case - which is why I mentioned their “cronies” in an earlier post. And I also would never say feeding the homeless in a park like that is necessarily a good idea. This park, however, is what it is....near very few residences and with almost no parking for visitors. But that’s another issue altogether.
What I cannot abide is liberal government using the power of cops to enforce their cronyism plans, and then the cops being arrogant bastards about it.
Again, I agree. I am not part of this group, have never heard of them until today, and have misgivings about using a park for this activity. Having said that, it was the abrupt and abusive attitude of the cops, something that is going on from the IRS down to local dog catchers...that is something we should all fear.
What shocks me is that so many Freepers appaud the cops simply because they too don’t think a public park should be used for this. That is a shocking case of just wanting to make sure the alligator eats the other guy first. It also shows a shocking ignorance of this park, which for years has been almost ignored by 99.99% of the population. I am all for trying to turn this park around, but the Gestapo tactics are not the way to do it.
Walk and chew gum at the same time???
Misses the point. If you want to start a thread about the strategies used by churches for their outreach, go ahead. It’s a good subject and worth doing. But this was not about that. Sorry, just wasn’t about that atall....
Your ignorance of this area of the city, this situation, and reading comprehension, comes thru with every word you type on your mommys key board.
The point of police arrogance was made clear in the original story...but then again, that required reading comp......
Once ya live in the west, the east seems down right spooky.
Examples of this abuse, please. Being sternly asked to break it up and move along, with or without explanation, does not merit comparison to Gestapo. What actual rights, as opposed to imagined ones, were violated? Anyone roughed up or detained without cause or due process?
Show me this and I’ll agree. But, if city police were merely being blunt and making no exceptions, well, maybe they should have given warning the prior weekend, and they could have been nicer about it, either way.
That’s poor community relations, not Nazi.
Once you lived in Raleigh in the 70s and 80s, modern Raleigh seems downright spooky too.......
Actually Raleigh is a on par with Austin as a liberal town. Mayor is dem, council is lib. NC may be red but Raleigh definitely is not. And having worked with a lot of the cit officials I can tell you it is probably the most gay filled Christian hating town government in the southeast. There is a reason raleighs gay district is located next to city hall. And I unfortunately have been witness to this.
Yes, it actually rains here, oh the horror. At least we actually can grow a garden without running up the water bill. Exposed brown dirt and rocks with cactii for a lawn is not spooky in the least, lol. Nope, perfectly normal.
I hope someone lets us know what the city council’s resonce is.
I go away for two weeks here in my area of Phoenix burbs and the entire landscape has changed. new stuff has popped up in those two weeks.
Liberals are anti-progression.
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