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Jurors continue to deliberate at Fort Hood--Update: GUILTY ON ALL COUNTS; eligible for death penalty
statesman.com ^ | August 23, 2013 | Jeremy Schwartz

Posted on 08/23/2013 6:27:42 AM PDT by don-o

FORT HOOD —

Yesterday at about 5:20 p.m. the call came into the media center: the military jury deciding the fate of Maj. Nidal Hasan was ready to reconvene. A group of journalists hastily convened and speed-walked toward the courthouse, about a quarter mile away, anxiously anticipating a verdict.

The atmosphere in the courtroom was heavy: A small group of family members sat quietly as prosecutors stared straight ahead. Hasan stroked his beard and occassionally leaned in to whisper with his lead standby attorney, Lt. Col. Kris Poppe. We sat in near silence for about 15 long minutes.

As we now know, the jurors needed more time to deliberate and had merely reconvened in open court in order to ask for the written statement of officer Mark Todd to be read back to them.

But expectations are high that Day 14 of the Hasan court-martial will indeed bring a verdict. There is no doubt the 13 high-ranking Army officers are taking their duty seriously. They are paying such close attention that yesterday they pointed out a spelling error in a middle name of one of the victims that prosecutors and court officials had overlooked.

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TOPICS: Breaking News; Crime/Corruption; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: hasan; hasanguilty; hasantrial
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To: bmwcyle
For sure. I would've had him hung twice by now.

21 posted on 08/23/2013 7:01:40 AM PDT by b4its2late (A Liberal is a person who will give away everything he doesn't own.)
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To: circlecity
No, there is nothing in the UCMJ which requires an admission or confession be made under oath to be entered into evidence.

Unless I'm misunderstanding,or misreading,what "jagusafr" said there is,at least,a problem with such a scenario in a court martial.Perhaps at some point he'll respond to my earlier post and we'll if I need remedial reading classes! ;-)

22 posted on 08/23/2013 7:02:04 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (If Obama Had A City It Would Look Like Detroit)
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To: Norm Lenhart

My first thought also.


23 posted on 08/23/2013 7:06:17 AM PDT by rocksblues (The Obama administration the most unlawful, corrupt administration in US history.)
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To: don-o

They are busy filling out the paperwork to inform Obama of his promotion and exactly which medals they are awarding to him.


24 posted on 08/23/2013 7:07:03 AM PDT by Iron Munro (To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize - Voltaire)
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To: Mr. K

My personal favorite is Apache justice.


25 posted on 08/23/2013 7:08:59 AM PDT by NTHockey (Rules of engagement #1: Take no prisoners. And to the NSA trolls, FU)
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To: Gay State Conservative

That is correct: in every criminal jury trial, the judge admonishes the jury that “what the attorneys say in opening statements and closing arguments is not evidence. In reaching your verdict, you are to consider only the evidence and sworn testimony before you”, or words to that effect, depending on jurisdiction. Since he didn’t testify and he’s acting as his own attorney, his statements cannot be considered in determining innocence or guilt. It is at times (like this case) a Chinese wall, a legal fiction, but that’s the very reason the court martial panel needs to be very deliberate.


26 posted on 08/23/2013 7:10:23 AM PDT by jagusafr (the American Trinity (Liberty, In G0D We Trust, E Pluribus Unum))
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To: jagusafr
There are WAY too many "laws" on America's books if we can't take a(n) multiple admission of guilt and just sentence him accordingly.

Sure we have the right to defense counsel, but as I understand it, this vermin pretty much signed off on every accusation DURING the trial.

It's a damned shame we have to CYA in an obvious situation.

27 posted on 08/23/2013 7:11:58 AM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true)
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To: b4its2late

And covered him in Bacon.


28 posted on 08/23/2013 7:14:07 AM PDT by bmwcyle (People who do not study history are destine to believe really ignorant statements.)
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To: bmwcyle
Hang him already.

And make sure the seatbelt is snug.

29 posted on 08/23/2013 7:16:22 AM PDT by BerryDingle (I know how to deal with communists, I still wear their scars on my back from Hollywood-Ronald Reagan)
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To: bmwcyle

Is it pc to hang a disabled criminal?


30 posted on 08/23/2013 7:17:05 AM PDT by HomeAtLast
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To: knarf

I understand the frustration. But, I value our justice system beginning with presumption of innocence through burden of proof.

I agree with “better a guilty man go free than an innocent man be convicted.”

(General statements here - Hasan’s guilt is apparent. But, the process must be followed)


31 posted on 08/23/2013 7:19:43 AM PDT by don-o (He will not share His glory, and He will not be mocked! Blessed be the Name of the Lord forever!)
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To: don-o
Fort Hood Shootings ‏@FtHoodShootings 8m In 10-second hearing, judge sent jurors back into deliberations. #hasan
32 posted on 08/23/2013 7:20:33 AM PDT by don-o (He will not share His glory, and He will not be mocked! Blessed be the Name of the Lord forever!)
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To: don-o
Can the judge choose from a number of types of Capital Punishment?

I wonder if BEHEADING is on such a list.


33 posted on 08/23/2013 7:34:54 AM PDT by MeshugeMikey (Block Captain..Tyranny Response Team / al-Kilab Division)
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To: HomeAtLast

We could always do it Iranian Muslim style . . . with a crane. That would be sensitive to his religion and culture, eh?
34 posted on 08/23/2013 7:35:38 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: NTHockey

Which type? Staking them to an anthill and painting them with honey? Wrapping them in a leather blanket and wetting the blanket? So much creativity for such a small tribe.


36 posted on 08/23/2013 7:38:19 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: Gay State Conservative
"Unless I'm misunderstanding,or misreading,what "jagusafr" said there is,at least,a problem with such a scenario in a court martial.Perhaps at some point he'll respond to my earlier post and we'll if I need remedial reading classes!"

A court martial is regulated by the UCMJ (Uniform Code of Military Justice). Nowhere does it say that admissions or confessions must be given under oath to be admissible. Such a requirement would eliminate 99% of all admissions.

37 posted on 08/23/2013 7:53:19 AM PDT by circlecity
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To: circlecity
A court martial is regulated by the UCMJ (Uniform Code of Military Justice). Nowhere does it say that admissions or confessions must be given under oath to be admissible. Such a requirement would eliminate 99% of all admissions.

In the response that "jagusafr" just sent to me regarding my original question to him (post #26) there appears to be at least one exception to what you're saying.Given that he's a lawyer,a former military lawyer at that,I'm inclined to accept the accuracy of his statement.I don't understand the logic behind the concept he was describing but then there's very,*very* many things about the law that I don't understand so I'll just add that to the list.

38 posted on 08/23/2013 8:02:54 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (If Obama Had A City It Would Look Like Detroit)
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To: Gay State Conservative

btt


39 posted on 08/23/2013 8:30:20 AM PDT by don-o (He will not share His glory, and He will not be mocked! Blessed be the Name of the Lord forever!)
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To: Gay State Conservative
"Given that he's a lawyer,a former military lawyer at that"

So am I.

40 posted on 08/23/2013 8:47:55 AM PDT by circlecity
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