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To: Jeff Winston
Ted Cruz was BORN a UNITED STATES CITIZEN, which is all that is required

This is false. Hamilton proposed the Presidential qualification that he be a "born citizen," but this was rejected by the founders in favor of John Jay's reccommendation that the President be only a natural born citizen.

Please stop lying about our Founding Fathers.

128 posted on 08/21/2013 1:22:59 PM PDT by Plummz (pro-constitution, anti-corruption)
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To: Plummz

Plummz:” This is false. Hamilton proposed the Presidential qualification that he be a “born citizen,” but this was rejected by the founders in favor of John Jay’s reccommendation that the President be only a natural born citizen.

Please stop lying about our Founding Fathers. “

Sorry Plummz, but you are mistaken. You are either born a citizen and eligible, or are naturalized and are not.

Minor V Happersett
“Additions might always be made to the citizenship of the United States in two ways: first, by birth, and second, by naturalization. This is apparent from the Constitution itself, for it provides [n6] that “no person except a natural-born citizen, or a citizen of the United States at the time of the adoption of the Constitution, shall be eligible to the office of President,” [n7] and that Congress shall have power “to establish a uniform rule of naturalization.” Thus new citizens may be born or they may be created by naturalization.”

Clear as day, if you are born a citizen you are eligible.


157 posted on 08/21/2013 3:19:34 PM PDT by JimMcW
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To: Plummz
This is false. Hamilton proposed the Presidential qualification that he be a "born citizen," but this was rejected by the founders in favor of John Jay's reccommendation that the President be only a natural born citizen.

Please stop lying about our Founding Fathers.

This is another FALSE birther meme.

Hamilton's wording was never "rejected," for the simple reason that IT WAS NEVER PLACED BEFORE THE DELEGATES OF THE CONSITUTIONAL CONVENTION AT ALL.

He made PERSONAL NOTES of the kind of Constitution he wanted. Among those notes he wrote that he wanted the President to be born a citizen.

He got a lot of what he wanted. His private notes were handed to James Madison at the end of the Convention.

THERE IS NOT THE SLIGHTEST EVIDENCE ANYWHERE THAT HAMILTON'S "BORN A CITIZEN" AND JOHN JAY'S "NATURAL BORN CITIZEN" MEANT ANYTHING DIFFERENT.

In fact, there were 55 Delegates to the Constitutional Convention. Only TWO men proposed a birth qualification for President.

John Jay, who wasn't at the Convention, and Alexander Hamilton, who was.

Why those two and nobody else?

Guess what.

John Jay and Alexander Hamilton were personal friends and close working associates who lived in the same city, and who actively worked together both before and after the Convention. In fact, Hamilton was the major author of The Federalist (also known as "the Federalist Papers"), which was instrumental in convincing the people of the key State of New York to actually adopt the Constitution.

He was assisted in this task by... John Jay and James Madison.

160 posted on 08/21/2013 3:50:14 PM PDT by Jeff Winston (Yeah, I think I could go with Cruz in 2016.)
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To: Plummz

Oh... and next time, before you accuse someone of “lying about our Founding Fathers,” you might like to have the faintest clue of what you’re talking about.


162 posted on 08/21/2013 3:51:55 PM PDT by Jeff Winston (Yeah, I think I could go with Cruz in 2016.)
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To: Plummz; Jeff Winston

Hamilton’s draft for the Constitution. I’m not certain it was actually presented.

See Article IX

http://books.google.com/books?id=Dm0FAAAAQAAJ&pg=PA407&lpg=PA407&dq=%22hereafter+be+born+a+Citizen+of+the+United+States%22+%2BHamilton&source=bl&ots=s6a4fGDolB&sig=K063NZIEWeaqsInb-bnTgoE6orQ&hl=en&ei=q610SsWEIY7mMdiJnLEM&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=2#v=onepage&q=&f=false


166 posted on 08/21/2013 4:16:22 PM PDT by Ray76 (Common sense immigration reform: Enforce Existing Law)
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